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#3019256 "Rugby league's international failure is spectacular"

Posted by Oxford on 24 October 2014 - 03:12 PM

The best thing to say about this article is that it was written by an RL journalist not another sport's hatchet merchant and the worst thing is it was penned by league pundit! Have we simply forgotten how to love RL ? There are real criticisms that need aiming at the Aussies in particular over this issue. However, the huge amount of negativity, bitter wrangling , devious agendas and dog with a bone issues that haunt the whole of TGG is appalling and saddening. People who turn up to games home and away, are truly knowledgeable about our sport, have its best interests at heart even those at the few successful clubs seem lost in their disenchantment and unhappiness. This article is a good example of that mood. And unfortunately there are an awful lot posts that swim with this tide so it was nice to read Martyn Sadler not just accepting this because it's a colleague of sorts and it is written with that tide of stuff that so often belittles our game because we're seen as a target.


"Unfortunately the Guardian, like many other British newspapers, is happy to publish stories about international Rugby League being supposedly on its last legs.
But the evidence doesn't stack up." Nice one Martyn!


We don't have to accept it, but more importantly we need to remember TGG is what it says on the tin. And I don't care if another sport has 400 million players and 9 billion spectators and more money than Croesus  none of that will ever make it as good as what happens on our paddocks every week! I'm just sorry there's an off season!

#3018061 They just don't get it.......

Posted by Oxford on 22 October 2014 - 02:43 PM

Sam burgess hasn't played for England yet and a cursory glance at SBW's stats for actual game time and against whom in the last RWC point to him being more box office than a potent and vital weapon.

And this would go along with the bums on seats reasoning although I have no interest in such figures and stats it is evidence of this kind of agenda.

#3016441 They just don't get it.......

Posted by Oxford on 19 October 2014 - 04:56 PM

I am not sure what you see as being defensive in my post. Why does the NFL want a NRL player? Is it because they can't grow their own athletes? No, it's because Hayne has some qualities some NFL franchises think they could use so they're going to give him a shot. They have plenty of their own talent yet they still won't say no to more talent coming over from other places. When did everyone ever said they have enough of the good stuff?

Missing the point of the thread= what is in RL that produces these kind of athletes not to bash other sports or find them wanting!

billy goat gruff stuff I think!

#3016352 International game needs long-term strategy: Wood

Posted by Oxford on 19 October 2014 - 12:45 PM

Why do the Aussies play those "scumbag" Kiwis every year if feelings are still running high? Why do they allow a NZ team in the NRL? Or us it just an anti Pom thing?

Because their clubs are searching for talent they can then convert into Aussies with the promise of Origin football. Just one of the tricks, products and possibilities used to ensure the Kangaroos remain on top! And if you look through this website at posts and topics relating to international football and attitudes you'll find all the other ways and means are mentioned somewhere along the line by any number of posters!

#3015894 11/10/14 - SLGF: St Helens v Wigan Warriors KO 6pm (TV)

Posted by Oxford on 18 October 2014 - 11:32 AM

This was great and well done to the RFL and James for a lesson in bringing it to the people!

Great moment , great television and great experience and where do we go next year to make it even better?

And well done Saintslass for reminding everyone there was much more to the evening than two punches!

#3015722 International game needs long-term strategy: Wood

Posted by Oxford on 17 October 2014 - 08:16 PM

But it's easier putting out something like that on the 17th of October than the answers that were promised to Keighley on this date!!!!!

The need for a long term strategy on international RL is obvious and this can never be achieved when so many insular, specific and small agendas are at work in our sport. 

I know the Cougars have been left waiting over this issue and that's wrong. But this is not even remotely related to this topic not even on the who killed Kennedy conspiracy  level of human psychology!

#3015696 11 Super League players in Top 100 players in the world

Posted by Oxford on 17 October 2014 - 07:31 PM

I wonder how many SL games these journos have watched.

My first thought was blinkers then I thought no , one of those dogs with a cone round their heads a bit like a UK national " journalist" (LOL) when it comes to RL.

Although the Aussie first and second team picks would certainly be in the top 100 where exactly would always be debatable but the fundamental  assumption that they can be totally dismissive and arrogant and tell us where our stars are, is bordering on delusional.

They do our "OUR" shared game no good and no credit.

Let's just take James Graham as an example the presumption was and is that he was only a possible before being in the NRL and the NRL made him a good player - and you can subscribe to this view if you wish but the length of time it took him to be good in that competition makes this appear like what it is , simply ridiculous. :read:

#3014951 I need counselling!

Posted by Oxford on 16 October 2014 - 12:03 PM

It's going to be a long off-season.

Its always a long off season!

#3014611 Andy Wilson - writes something worth reading!

Posted by Oxford on 15 October 2014 - 07:28 PM

But that is the point.

For too long we have ignored it and almost revelled in being unpopular and the game for working classes.


Think about this "WE" have ignored our image in the press and revelled in what it said about us!

That "WE" puts the fault (ball) in our court. This is the chip on the shoulder argument. It's our fault if we're picked on, our fault if we don't just accept this, and our fault if we complain about it. The reason why racism was so successful for so long in being unquestioned is these very type of arguments. 

Because of newspapers and media roles generally in the whole history of our sport we are not unpopular we are simply barely noticed.

#3014557 Red card - Good publicity ?

Posted by Oxford on 15 October 2014 - 05:49 PM

Give it a rest.


Sevvy, why " Give it a rest" ? You may have disagreed but where is your reasoning? If the argument was simplistic or illogical you need to show how! If the piece was a well reasoned sound and unbiased bit you need to show this is the case. 

The remark you used is not even the basis for an argument and might be the bees knees in the playground or, if you're that way inclined, Facebook, but doesn't really cut the mustard otherwise.

I promise this is not intended as a personal attack, I leave that sort of stuff to other posters and I've read other posts you have made but I felt this one lacked that certain.........

But to get back to the theme though, we have been noticed, we punch therefore we are, people who never knew we existed and play to a full Old Trafford now know! The reason that so called sports writers in ru biased newspapers are trying to put us down is because they are trying to do as much damage to RL about the event as they can and this is because coverage is the key not the kind of coverage. I don't understand why people who like RL find this difficult though it may be best explained by the fact that they aren't used to any coverage at all. So the"writers" are doing their job of propagandists rather their putative title of journalist , this is pretty straight forward.

#3013912 Best ever punch ups

Posted by Oxford on 14 October 2014 - 03:37 PM

I've just posted about missing the memo and I certainly missed the Bring Back the Biff one.


Ben Flower sings " I'm coming down so you better get this party started!"


Frank Collier says " But y'hardly touched him lad!"

#3012447 Ben Flower Sending Off / Reaction / Apology (merged threads)

Posted by Oxford on 12 October 2014 - 06:25 PM

denis has a very strict code of conduct hence mr hock not staying a widnes player 

Denis would not have kept Hock if he could have - I think this might be a bit questionable in historical accuracy.


There are three elements to this whole issue : there's a lot of coverage beyond what we might normally expect ( only one thing worse than bad press and that's no press), an awful lot of people who don't normally admit to watching RL came out of the woodwork to say something highly moral even the scallywags of other sports, and Saints achievement which has been amazing has been lost in all the nonsense created over an infringement and that is not good enough!

#3012215 Ben Flower Sending Off / Reaction / Apology (merged threads)

Posted by Oxford on 12 October 2014 - 12:07 PM

Hanging's too good for him! :rtfm:

I have to say everybody that:  a) RL and violence are hardly new bedfellows 

                                                B) there are sanctions and punishments in place in the sport

                                                c) trial by lynch mob has never been a good idea even on Facebook :jester:

                                                d) Hysteria is not a good look for anyone

#3012115 Ben Flower Sending Off / Reaction / Apology (merged threads)

Posted by Oxford on 12 October 2014 - 09:37 AM

not mine we dont want thugs at widnes 

Of Course you don't, you've never had any and you wouldn't want to start now!  ;)

#3012013 11/10/14 - SLGF: St Helens v Wigan Warriors KO 6pm (TV)

Posted by Oxford on 12 October 2014 - 06:21 AM

At least I know why Warriors got beat , Never mind all that better side rubbish, ignore Ben Flower's err indiscretion, forget Saint's defence of their territory  and the two tries are insignificant in this story

The scoop, the real reason is revealed right here;



" Jonny Wilkinson meets Wigan stars ahead of Super League Grand Final and presents players with their jerseys..."

From that moment on the Pie Eaters had no chance, had I known this before I wouldn't even have bothered watching and I would have certainly supported Saints!

And to think the Saints could only get the mere Tom van Vollenhoven, what were they thinking when they could have Had Bill "Three Tackles" Beaumont?