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Everything posted by Chris22

  1. I'd rather have lost the match than 'won' in this manner. Not brilliant for our final preparation having played only two matches in June. Not great that we have two weeks off going into the Wigan derby and it's Wigan's third game in seven days. Points percentage have 'saved' us to an extent but the decision to schedule loop fixtures and a Magic Weekend looks worse by the day. In some ways, I'm glad we don't have a relegation battle because a team may have got relegated due to postponements, which would have been a disaster.
  2. This is Leeds' version of events. Nothing's every easy to figure out in rugby league!
  3. Mossop sent off, Hurrell off for a HIA, Thompson off too for reacting according to Leeds twitter. Jack Wells sin binned a few minutes later for a tip tackle. Here is the incident. I doubt Hurrell will go after Mossop again.
  4. The incident involving Akauola and McCarthy in Thursday's match between Warrington and Leeds has set me thinking! Why is it that attacking players are allowed to lead with the shoulder and defensive players are not? It doesn't make any sense to me. When we banned the shoulder charge, we have led to defensive players having to go into tackles front on and risking heavy contact with the head. It seems to me that, say in the match on Thursday, it would have been far safer for McCarthy to lead with the shoulder but it would have been illegal. I think it's time to allow the shoulder charge again but maintain punishments for high shots with the shoulder. In a shameless plug, I've written on my blog about this issue. Thoughts?
  5. I was shocked to hear the comment. I believe that we have a much more lax attitude in society towards disability discrimination compared to racism, which is wrong (you can see that by the way that the word in question is used frequently on this thread, in a way that racist language would not be). If the Aussie use of the word is an abbreviation of mongrel, though, then it is a simple case of crossed wires and should just be dealt with a quiet word as to the English interpretation and an apology. If not, then it should be severely punished. Warrington have released a statement anyway https://warringtonwolves.com/news/2021/june/Club-Statement-Steve-Price-Sky-Sports-interview/
  6. Replace the word that Price said with a discrimatory word commonly used against black people and what would people have said? Many called for Tony Clubb to be sacked for using a racist term. Yet opinion is that using a common discrimatory term aimed a disabled term should not result in a sacking. Without getting into punishments, why do we see discrimatory language against disabled people ad more acceptable? Edit: Although the explanation above about it being a shortened term for 'mongrel' is an innocent explanation, makes sense and an example of how words can have different meanings in different countries. Although I stand by the point about how we seem to 'rank' forms of discrimatory language.
  7. Huddersfield have named a 13 man squad with more players to follow. Twitter post confirming this since deleted.
  8. I accept that for one reason or another not all of those players would be free but I have listed 16 who, in my view, would have been improvements and could have named more. I disagree on the Championship player comment being insulting. I know it's an extreme comparison but you wouldn't see a Queensland Cup player in State of Origin. Whilst we are nowhere near that level, I think it is a bad look that we cannot find 17 non-English players from our premier competition to play in this fixture. I agree that the squad is ok but the fact that players who are in England's elite training squad (and may play for us at the World Cup) cheapens it in my view. Of course, a lot of this could have been avoided if we had a blank Super League weekend. Sadly, the clubs decided to go with loop fixtures this year and despite all agreeing to release players at the start of the year for the match, have now put obstacles in the way. Internationals should be the pinnacle of the sport in my view (and if we want to grow, it must be), so I find it frustrating that it is treated as an afterthought once again.
  9. In their respective positions, I would rather have seen non-English players selected. If you are relying on Championship players to fill an All Stars squad, then it is not worthy of the name, in my view. To answer your question, in place of English players (or indeed other non-English players) we could have seen: Coote, Grace, Parcell, Takarangi, Mamo, Clark, Hurrell, Martin, Tetevano, Paasi, Mau, Fonua, Sao, Yaha, Bousquet and Garcia, to name a few.
  10. Oh dear. There are so many questions! Why are so many of the better players not in? Have clubs refused to release? Why is one of England's top try scorer playing against us? This is deeply embarrassing. Only saving grace is capacity limits will excuse the awful crowd.
  11. If Hull KR were to finish 5th or 6th, that would be an excellent season. To win the comp, they would likely face a run (at present) of Wigan away, Catalans away, Warrington / Saints in the Grand Final. I cannot see them winning all of those fixtures and 66/1 seems about right to me. Saying that, Hull KR have been playing some wonderful rugby of late and Tony Smith is doing an excellent job. They won't win the competition, but if they make the play offs that will be a huge success.
  12. He has been by all accounts, although seems that this failed!
  13. It's an interesting question but rugby league fans have always moaned. The game always used to be better. When I got into the sport, I was thrilled by it. It was probably the same era that many on here laud over. My grandad used to tell me how that era was rubbish compared to how it used to be. He bemoaned the obsession with quick play the balls and said we had eliminated skill from players. "I'd like to see how these players would have coped with the 5 metre rule" was a common one or "it's like watching kids in a playground running around, they're not proper men anymore". Defences are far better now too. In the early Super League years, teams losing by 50 or 60 points was commonplace, far more than it is now. Blowouts were a weekly occurence. Even the worse teams in this league now are competent in defence. For fans like Saints fans, there is a reluctance to accept (in my view) that teams won't just let us through. We now have to work harder for it because the ruck is generally slower and defenses more organised. Whereas we (Saints) used to frequently beat teams like Wakefield at home by 50 points plus, now the winning margin is far less. Fans of bigger clubs find that hard to accept. There is a sense of entitlement in that respect. Now, if you have an off day in defence and find yourself two or three scores down, that is hard to recover from. 20 years ago, it was far easier to overturn such a deficit. In some ways, that made games more entertaining and competitive. In others, tries were cheap and too easy to come by. It is unquestionable that the game has changed. That greater focus on defence and wrestling is a major cause. But teams are paid to win matches and must do that even at the expense of style, or if you're the coach, you'll find yourself out of work. Tony Smith is currently bucking the trend and being rewarded for it. That is good. The more variety in styles we see the better. At present, all teams seem to have a blueprint that they are reluctant to vary from, and that can make things a bit repetitive or stale. Risk taking is discouraged because of greater defensive solidity. The balance of risk and reward for more adventurous play has fundamentally changed. And then you've got constant rule changes that help no-one and artificially try to alter how the game is played, which almost always fail or have adverse consequences. The new ball steal rule for one which has had the unintended consequence of nearly eliminating offloads as players need to carry the ball in two hands to prevent an attempted ball steal. I could go on and on about the laws of the game, but that's probably a debate for another day.
  14. And apparently, the attacker falling to the floor when running around the back of another attacker negates the penalty. Sometimes you even here the referee say 'go down'. That is not in the laws of the game. Once upon a time, it may even have been called a voluntary tackle and the attacker penalised for that. The laws of the sport are inconsistently applied, sometimes we make them up and sometimes ignore others. A total mess.
  15. Top signing for Leeds, we will miss him. He's an 80 minute player which is rare for a second rower. Plenty of development still in his game, especially in his attacking game. If Leeds can harness that, he will get even better. Can't hold it against him at all, the pull of signing for your team is very difficult to resist. Hope he goes well.
  16. In an attempt to turn the conversation away from straw clutching, was that a really good game or really bad game? I'm honestly not sure what I think. Thought it was quite tense towards the end but wonder what the neutral view was?
  17. Last Feb, we lost 19-0 away at Warrington. Too many errors from us tonight. Warrington perfect defensively and totally snuffed us out. This is exactly why I did not want Warrington at Wembley. They have a blueprint of how to beat us and we have not figured a way around it yet. Thought the result was a fair reflection. Our defence will keep us in any game but there are severe limitations to our attacking game that an organised defence and team that can play for 80 minutes can exploit.
  18. Ideally, internationals should be on a stand alone weekend. If not possible (and I get why not this year), then there is no excuse for Super League matches being on at the exact same day, Why the other matches couldn't be Saturday I do not know.
  19. Enjoyed the way that Castleford played yesterday. Great to see a side play with ambition and enterprise in a big game and be rewarded for it. I anticipate that they will do the same in the final as this would give them the best chance. A thoroughly deserved win. Showed Powell to be a shrewd coach too in how he targeted Warrington's poor edge defence.
  20. For what it's worth, I am entirely biased in this debate given how much I wanted Saints to win. Whilst I am leaning towards being ok with Fages' actions, I don't know if that is because we benefited. I am genuinely unsure what I would have thought if I had no interest in the outcome. That's why I have probably paid greater attention to the neutral observer in the debate.
  21. I can understand the arguments both ways on Fages' conduct. There are merits to both sides. Fages is employed to win rugby league matches, that's it. He acted in a way that furthered that and there's no room for sympathy. Fages would not have stopped if Griffin was injured as a result of a big hit, or if he was limping (some may even encourage players to run at the injured player). On the other, a player was seriously injured (and I think that was clear, even in the moment) and he chose to take advantage of that rather than show concern for an opponent who was in considerable distress. What I cannot understand are the arguments that a referee should disallow a try that is legal on the basis of compassion, sympathy or because a player was injured. If we start asking referees to apply 'common sense', then we might as well throw the laws in the bin. If a defender starts limping as an attacker runs at him, then should the refereee disallow that? We are in a minefield if you ask officials to play doctor and say how serious an injury is in a second.
  22. Really nervy match as you would expect for a semi final. The Fages moment was big and kept us away from Hull for a while. Incredible bad luck that you can't account for. The suggestion that Griffin should have held on to the ball is ridiculous too, the pain must have been excruciating. A second big point was kicking. Coote nailed two sideline conversions. If Hull had the post 40-20 set with the scores as 21-20, that game ends very differently. Pleased to see Saints becoming more clinical in attack. The ability to hold off Hull in a strong first 15 was key too. A few years ago, I don't think we would have coped with the start. I thought we deserved the win, although we rode our luck and the scoreline was very flattering.
  23. Very torn on the Fages try. The sport is about winning and Fages would have been panned by our fans if he didn't score and we went on to lose. Equally, it didn't look good. Very awkward, almost no win position. More important than all of that, horrible injury and let's wish a speedy recovery to Griffin.
  24. Paasi out for Saints and Norman to make his debut. Makinson and Grace both fit but Percival out too. We are a little light on the bench today and I've no doubt Hull will take us on up the middle primarily. Huge opportunity for Norman, will be interesting to see how he goes.
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