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Steve the Roughyed

Member Since 02 Nov 2006
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#3008813 Where do we go from here?

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 07 October 2014 - 12:20 AM

Sorry to say but after watching a fantastic effort from the team yesterday I suspect the answer to where do we go from here is most probably downhill unless we can miraculously secure both of the following.  1.  Someone willing to invest a lot of money and 2. A stadium which will attract supporters rather than put them off attending.  In particular I reckon not too many away fans turn up more than once to Whitebank and understandably so.  The place is simply not fit for purpose.  I would happily have travelled to Sedgely Park or LSV for home games next season if we had gone up. but a home match at Whitebank has no great appeal I am afraid.  The fact that York ,Gateshead and the 5 relegated teams will be in the same league next year makes even qualifying for the play offs a big ask.  More so if as I suspect key members of this years squad move on.  I hope we don't lose the coaching staff and key players but at the minute I am not too optimistic.  At least if I start off expecting the worst I won't be disappointed when it happens.




#3001514 Friday deadline!

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 24 September 2014 - 12:01 AM

Whitebank for me is a non starter.  I don't see any way that it can be developed to any kind of sensible standard and without doubt it is reducing attendances.  The loss of revenue through the turnstiles must at least match the cost of rent at BP.  I have watched Oldham since 1967 both home and away but since the second season at Whitebank I have attended very few matches at home.  The place is quite simply an embarrassment and I don't think the rugby league should ever have sanctioned it for more than one season if no development was going to take place.  What makes it worse is that I do believe that the coaching staff and players all deserve much better.  I don't criticise their efforts at all and I will be at Headingley with my 8 year old son because at least there he will be able to see the match from a good viewpoint.




#2947485 This forum.....

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 20 June 2014 - 10:24 PM

Higgy has it spot on and it is exactly what i have said in previous posts.  The league structure in Championship one is appalling and the lack of regular home/away alternating fixtures is a factor in people getting out of the habit.  In my case the switch to summer has also been a negative both because my own sporting activity conflicts with the time and once out of the habit there are more alternatives on offer in the summer.  Of the remaining four home fixtures I can make two at most and they are both against the same team.  Not exactly inspiring.




#2905937 Roughyeds fans trust

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 26 March 2014 - 12:26 AM

I agree with those who are criticising the nasty comments about CH on here.  I have a lot of questions about the way the club is run and how sponsors/investors seem to fall out with the club.  However I do not think for one minute that CH is just in this to make money.  If that was his aim I am sure he would be disappointed at the returns for the effort put in.  I admit to being one of the long standing fans (45 years) who has now got out of the habit of going to matches but this is not a protest about the ownership of the club or some kind of anti CH stand.  I just find the experience of attending matches at the millstone round our neck known as Whitebank both depressing and embarrassing.  The bickering on this site and the slagging off of those who give genuine reasons for no longer attending makes me feel less inclined to go back.  It's a pity because I am sure Scott Naylor and the players deserve support for their efforts.  So does the club for continuing to run an under 20s team in difficult times.  The likelihood is, however, that the benefit from developing young talent is more likely to be reaped by other clubs whilst we wallow around in the lowest tier of professional rugby for the foreseeable future.




#2846945 fixtures out Monday

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 03 December 2013 - 06:57 PM

Geoff is absolutely right.  Higgy also points to the breaks between games.  There is a five week gap between the first two home fixtures then 3 weeks to the one after that.  This lack of a consistent fortnightly fixture over more than the 20 matches on offer is what has helped lead to people getting out of the habit of going to matches.  You only need to be away or ill for one fixture and its two months nearly.




#2800973 here we go again.....

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 02 October 2013 - 12:17 AM

Oldham are providing a product.
We as potential consumers of that product, make a judgement as to whether it's good value at the price being asked.
Over the last few seasons the majority of supporters have clearly decided it wasn't and choose to spend their disposable income in other ways.
Berating people for staying away is not the answer, rather it is to ask what needs to be done to entice them back.
The answer is that change is needed at the very top.
I'm sure Mr Hamilton is a nice person, loves his parents, pets, partner etc.
Sadly, and whether fairly or unfairly, he is now seen by very many as the main problem and sole reason for staying away.
As someone above alluded to though, at present it's not in his best personal interests to go!

Absolutely right bigred.  I have been one of the stayaways over the last two seasons. Not as any kind of protest against Oldham or CH but more of disillusionment with the game in general. I have tried hard to put forward constructive reasons as to why after 45 years this has happened.  None of my posts refer to CH because I genuinely think he is doing his best and it is NOTa protest against him why I haven't been.  Maybe his best isn't good enough but I can't condemn him for effort.  Despite my attempts to not make it personal I have had replies just telling me to stay away so I have done.  If I was asked what is the most significant reason for lack of interest then the answer is clearly Whitebank and the lack of development.  It is obvious that many fans from other clubs visit once and then don't bother again and I can't blame them.  The place is just a total embarrassment.  The failure to develop Whitebank must have cost the club a lot of lost income.  Joint stadium for the two teams in this town should be a priority for both clubs.

Bit of a rant there sorry but if I feel moved to post then I care.  Time for reasoned debate not name calling and slagging off folks.




#2799143 invisible thread?

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 29 September 2013 - 09:26 PM

Removal of the thread was absolutely correct in view of the language used in a couple of posts.  There is plenty of room for free speech and debate but no need whatsoever for the nastiness portrayed by some.  Their attitude towards people with different opinions flies in the face of free speech and reasoned debate.  If the thread can be reinstated with certain comments removed because they didn't stick to forum rules then that is fine with me.




#2725469 Disturbing info

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 17 June 2013 - 11:33 PM

Well said Raff.  I wish the people on here who criticise the "stayaways", as they like to call us, would realise that their attitude to people who care deeply about ORLFC but are totally disillusioned with many things in RL is simply putting us off coming back.  I have posted before about the nature of the league structure and how the lack of a home/away on alternate weeks gets you out of a routine.  The fact that there are only 16 games in a league season spread over 5 months is pretty pathetic.  That works out at 8 home games spread over 20 weeks.  Is it any wonder we aren't in a routine of coming down to the field at Whitebank?

 

Please note I have not posted any comment about CH or the coaching staff or the loyal fans still attending and I applaud their efforts along with the players who are doing well after a disastrous start.  It is also very commendable that the under 20s team is being run but at the end of the day two questions need to be asked.  Would we be allowed into the championship even if we finished top? - and-  Is the under 20s team  basically producing players for other clubs?




#2715522 Memorabilia

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 04 June 2013 - 11:53 PM

Ex scrumhalf that is an excellent post though I disagree that the council wasn't serious as I can't imagine any site in the town having the same potential.  It was the change of administration from Labour to Lib Dem which killed off the Sports Park 2000 project and in my opinion that was a disaster for the two professional clubs in the town.  The location was perfect for transport access and would have been excellent for concerts etc.  What we have now is what you describe as our new no seater (well almost) stadium.   One of the most telling posts I have seen on the forum in the last few years was from a Fev fan whose comments are always well considered.  After a visit to Whitebank for a Northern rail Cup match he posted that some "heads need banging together in Oldham".  " There is an adequate stadium in the town and the two clubs need to both be using it" or words to that effect.  If Sports Park 2000 had happened he would not have been talking about adequate he would have been jealous of what we had.

 

Interesting point about attendances.  You quote 5000 fans watching a game.  It is unlikely that the aggregate attendance for the league season will reach 5000.  How sad is that?

 

A lot to answer for the Lib Dem Council in 2000.  Well at least I can drive by Clayton playing fields and marvel at ... exactly what?




#2710173 C1 attendances (?)

Posted by Steve the Roughyed on 29 May 2013 - 12:30 AM

Wow Always Cru.  That is somewhat vitriolic.  I assume from the name Always Cru that you have a long pedigree of supporting the randomly located Crusaders in all of their different guises for at least 5 years.  The club that moves base and shows scant regard for any loyalty to supporters in South Wales who supported them whilst they had the rules on overseas players bent in their favour.  You are completely missing the points I made.  There is no regular home and away pattern to the season which has too few games and too many blank weekends so people get in to other habits..  You also miss the point that although I have only watched a couple of games last year I have watched home and away for 40 years prior to that and will go along again this season at some point but as yet there hasn't really been an attractive fixture that I could attend.  

 

I haven't moved on from Oldham or RL.  RL has moved away from Oldham and similar clubs and long term supporters like me hence the massive decline in attendances outside SL.  You also say I no longer want to watch the game.  I do but there is no real point as there is no real success to be achieved.  The examples you give of Chester City and FC United serve to back me up 100%.  They both have the opportunity to achieve promotion and it is theoretically possible for either to reach the Premier League in football.  Both of those teams had 21 home matches so even if you are away for 5 or 6 you can still see a lot of football. Also it may just have slipped your mind but 4000 is around 3 and a half times the COMBINED attendance for the Championship 1 games this weekend so you are really emphasising the perilous state RL is in outside SL.  This season Oldham has 8 home league fixtures.  Two of them I can't get to because of holiday.  Where exactly is the attraction of just 6 matches?  The league structure is pathetic and that is why the crowds are so dismal. The best we can aspire to now is Championship and crowds there are also not great with a couple of exceptions.

 

Combine that with the fact that only two teams NWC and Rochdale are likely to bring more than a handful of supporters (if that) so no atmosphere at matches therefore the product is not exactly marketable no matter how hard Oldham or any other club at this level tries.

 

Finally, although I no longer watch as much as I used to, I am not sure why i should have no opinion on the game or the club I still support by paying my lottery money by standing order every month.  There is no way I intend to kick the animal I have fed for so long.  I just don't like the way you seem to be happy to accept its slow and cruel death without realising it is happening.