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burnleywelsh

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#3043939 Union World Cup Preview in Telegraph

Posted by burnleywelsh on 11 December 2014 - 11:57 PM

In my opinion these people took their stance from above. I was involved in Police Rugby League in London. When the Met Police formed a Rugby League section in the MPAA ( Met Police Athletic Association ), it was well supported by a very senior officer originally from the Wakefield area. There was a number of police sports grounds around London, the main 'rugby' ground was Imbercourt in the south west. As the majority of interested players were based in this area it was decided that Imbercourt would be our home. At the time the Met Police Rugby Union side was still there or thereabouts at the top level of union. When the RFU got wind of the intention to play RL at Imbercourt a letter was sent to the RU club ( which was forwarded to us ), stating that playing the game of Rugby League at Imbercourt would jeopardise the RU clubs position in the Union and that the playing of representative fixtures ( Surrey RFU ) at Imbercourt could be withdrawn.
We paid our subscriptions, deducted from pay to the MPAA, and here was a outside organisation telling us what sport we could and couldn't play at our own sports ground.
We decided that to avoid any complications for the Union side we would move our switch our home base to the Bushey Sports Ground in the north of the Met Police District.
i've been on both sides of the League, Union divide and I know which the most honest and accommodating code.
I expect that I will be accused of 'gilding the lily' by some posters on here. Some of our guests think that the discrimination was carried out by individuals that had a particular axe to grind. The discrimination came from the top and it affected the very grass roots.


#3035661 RU Try of the Year

Posted by burnleywelsh on 20 November 2014 - 11:51 PM

Absolute garbage.  No penalty tries and no pushover tries!!!
 
Also, why haven't they shown the contenders for the union penalty of the year? :ph34r:


Good point.

If flopping over the tryline off the back of a maul, or a pushover try, so loved by our union friends are so popular, how come they are never put up for 'Try of the Month/Year' ?? They always seemed to be the odd handling/passing/running score that we see all the time in League.

Just asking


#3011203 If only we could turn back time

Posted by burnleywelsh on 10 October 2014 - 04:16 PM

A bit of info off the Wales RL website.....

One reason that Northern Union rugby didn't take off immediately in Wales is that the English Rugby Football Union turned a blind eye to Welsh clubs paying their players (an act known as shamateurism) otherwise they knew that rugby union would be destroyed in working class Wales, which would put a huge dent in the international game. At the time, the Welsh didn't care which organisation they played under because both games had the same rules, but it was obviously far easier to carry on playing against Welsh clubs and to pay their players.
Had the RFU not turned a blind eye then it is likely that Wales would have turned to Northern Union and had the RFU lost rugby in South Wales, and the south west of England, which had close links with the game in Wales, they would have been left controlling a rump primarily based around London.
A key incident was the Arthur Gould affair in 1897. The Welsh rugby international had a testimonial awarded to him in the previous year and was awarded the deeds to his house (but no actual money). The RFU declared Gould a professional and then banned all clubs and players from playing against him. Because of this, in February 1897 the Welsh Rugby Union withdrew from the Rugby Union International Board and was ready to join up with the Northern Union. But by August a compromise was reached as the RFU realised that their control of rugby was at stake. They continued to ignore the payments issue until top player Dai Jones publicly walked out on Aberdare to rejoin his native Treherbert because he wasn‟t getting enough money. Half of the Aberdare committee were banned and formed the Merthyr and later Aberdare Northern Union clubs.


#3009387 Sam Burgess (merged threads)

Posted by burnleywelsh on 07 October 2014 - 08:21 PM

7 months for an elderly RU player to master the skills of playing league such that he is picked to play international games.

And he had a lot to learn.....

Gareth Thomas on playing for the Crusaders; "I recently made 17 carries in one game, I felt it the next morning because as a wing in RU you make 17 carries a season. But I love it".
" I've never trained so much in my life".
"And because the training is tougher than in Union I spend a lot of my time in the pool or eating more food trying to put energy back in me".

Brian Noble on Gareth Thomas (British RU Lion, Welsh RU International) ; " He wants to carry the ball a lot but we are going to have to teach him how to do it".

Gareth Thomas on RL; "in union there is a lot of kicking and set plays going on which seem to take ages to play. Whereas in league if you shut down for a few seconds the players are so talented in recognising you are up or out of the line they put the ball up into the air, into a gap and score. It's 80 minutes of working whereas in Union you can rest and have a look into the crowd a lot of the time".

Interesting quote from Noble, British RU Lion being taught how to carry the ball effectively .........


#3005189 Sam Burgess (merged threads)

Posted by burnleywelsh on 30 September 2014 - 03:33 PM

Unless you are gay.


Stonewall would disagree with you. Sports Award for 2012 - Rugby Football League

Nice try........


#3004754 Sam Burgess (merged threads)

Posted by burnleywelsh on 29 September 2014 - 08:31 PM

So they played games in empty stadiums? And didn't get the Millennium Stadium built?
Yeah, sounds like they really suffered.
Nonetheless, the attitude wasn't 'good luck lads' was it?


Actually in my experience, the attitude was 'good luck lads' from the man in the street, loads of interest in seeing how the lads got on, coach loads travelling up to Warrington, Saints and Widnes. Only the 'committee men' and the few bigots having a go.


#2969739 European Championship Fixtures Released

Posted by burnleywelsh on 02 August 2014 - 08:40 AM

If you knew any of the history of Scotland and Cumberland ( now part of Cumbria), you would know Cumberland, and therefore Workington, was actually part of Scotland at the time of the Domesday Book 1086.

Workington Town will probably have 4 players in the Scotland squad.

"Cumbria" is really the same word as "Cambria" the Romanised form of "Cymru".

Brilliant, home game for both teams ;)


#2942304 A question for any refs out there.

Posted by burnleywelsh on 10 June 2014 - 08:45 AM

The "taking of 10" is a local rule usually used where if they kick for touch they will lose the ball in gardens etc
We were always advised that if taking 10 it should be done in a controlled manner I.e. Ball to ref who advanced the 10 metres and got the line set etc but this isn't in any laws or rules more a case of common sense
Hope this helps


Thanks, "common sense" being the key !!


#2893398 Why?

Posted by burnleywelsh on 05 March 2014 - 02:59 PM

I don't know what's there to comment other than RU was less dead set against professionalism than the IOC was.
The lift of the ban against RL players was lifted the day professionalism was accepted in RU. Why is that? They could have easily continued to ban Rl players from playing RU if the whole thing was about not accepting RL players rather than not accepting players from a very similar sport that accepts professionalism.


April 1995, National Heritage Committee report on relations between RU and RL finds "the attitude of Rugby Union to Rugby League both discriminatory and indefensible". Yet you continue to to defend RU.

NHC proposes a block on public funding to RU until the sport amends its rules.
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#2893192 Why?

Posted by burnleywelsh on 05 March 2014 - 09:09 AM

It's my understanding that the Olympic exclusion of professional/paid athletes extended to any sportsman. Not just, if you were a pro sprinter you couldn't compete as a sprinter, but as in the case of Jim Thorpe he'd played semi pro Baseball so was stripped of his medals. In my opinion, that's fair enough. The Olympic movement didn't want any professionals involved. The difference with RU was that they discriminated against just one sport, RL. And you didn't have to be 'pro'. I'm from an RU background and played at a much higher level than I ever did at League. I'd liked to have made the switch earlier than I did but, the discrimination meant that I couldn't even give it a go without risking my 'amateur' status.
Anyway the whole thing has been done to death but I suppose some people need a little reminder now and again.


#2885027 We need to be Great Britain

Posted by burnleywelsh on 21 February 2014 - 01:16 AM

Rugby League does not exist in Scotland....End Of


You seem to deny the existence of any RL anywhere other than parts of Lancs, Yorks, Cumbria & Cheshire.

This must be a figment of all those hardworking pioneers imaginations then.

The 2014 season will see two divisions of 4 teams as well as a National Cup compitition.
National League:
Aberdeen Warriors
Ayrshire Storm
Eastehouse Panthers
Edinburgh Eagles

National League 1:
Aberdeen Warriors 2
Fife Lions
Moray Titans

Victoria Knights

Must be part of the same fairy tale as Welsh RL I suppose.


#2881205 South Wales Scorpions

Posted by burnleywelsh on 15 February 2014 - 05:53 PM

I'd seriously like to know how we're being pampered. We're having no more money than anyone else, far less help due to location and everyone working at the club is doing so alongside other jobs, and therefore busting a gut 12 hours a day, 7 days a week near enough on all of their tasks in life. Not easy, especially as we didn't have a club working in October and November so we're doing four months work in the space of two months. Tell you what, let's just retreat to the north and it can be a parochial game where media and sponsors don't give a monkeys.


You have to face facts CC, there are 'so called supporters' of Rugby League who can't stand the thought of the game being played and enjoyed by people outside 'the heartlands'. In fact, as I've found out, there are huge areas of 'The North' that are Rugby League wastelands. It's not a northern game, it's a game that's played in parts of the north and Wales, The Home Counties, London, The Midlands etc. But, according to some, anyone who gets any, some, very little assistance from whatever quarter is 'being pampered'. Let me tell you, from experience, it is a hell of lot easier being involved in RL in 'The Heartlands' than it is outside this mythical land.


#2880339 South Wales Scorpions

Posted by burnleywelsh on 14 February 2014 - 12:07 AM

We have pampered to South Wales for too Long....in it a Union Land like Widnes is a league land...


We must put a stop to this !! People with funny accents wanting to play Rugby League !! Down with this sort of thing !! Let's put an end to this nonsense. Only those within spitting distance of the M62 should be allowed !!

What a muppet !


#2825342 Irish Flag

Posted by burnleywelsh on 03 November 2013 - 01:28 AM

"The four in one flag just doesn't do it for me."

Why not ?

Obviously the Irish team represents the island of Ireland so the Tricolour won't do as it is not the flag of Northern Ireland. The ancient provinces of Ireland are Munster, Connaught, Leinster and Ulster. The ancient province of Ulster includes Northern Ireland and parts of the Republic, so using the combined crests of the provinces is the ideal 'banner' for the Irish RL team.

What's your issue with that?


#2804917 nationality of players

Posted by burnleywelsh on 08 October 2013 - 07:00 PM

Happens in all sorts of sports, just picking one here.

Your point is ???

Name First national team represented Second national team represented
John Allan Scotland South Africa
Graham Bachop New Zealand Japan
Steven Bachop New Zealand Samoa
Abdelatif Benazzi Morocco France
Frano Botica New Zealand Croatia
Frank Bunce Samoa New Zealand
Daniel Carroll Australia USA
Des Connor Australia New Zealand
Matthew Cooper New Zealand Croatia
Diego Dominguez Argentina Italy
Jack Gage Ireland South Africa
Julian Gardner Australia Italy
Adrian Garvey Zimbabwe South Africa
Bill Hardcastle New Zealand Australia
Barry Holmes England Argentina
Shane Howarth New Zealand Wales
Alama Ieremia Samoa New Zealand
Evan Jessep New Zealand Australia
Michael Jones Samoa New Zealand
Jamie Joseph New Zealand Japan
Pat Lam Samoa New Zealand
James Marsh Scotland England
Frank Mellish England South Africa
Patricio Noriega Australia Argentina
Matthew Pini Australia Italy
Tom Richards Australia British Lions
Topo Rodriguez Argentina. Australia
Jamie Salmon New Zealand England
John Schuster Samoa New Zealand
Brian Smith Australia Ireland
Eddie Stapleton Australia New Zealand
Owen Stephens New Zealand Australia
Jan Christian Stewart Canada South Africa
Tiaan Strauss South Africa Australia
Ofisa Tonu'u Samoa New Zealand
Va'aiga Tuigamala New Zealand Samoa
Joeli Vidiri Fiji New Zealand