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slowdive

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#3252583 Musicals are the lowest form of Art

Posted by slowdive on 30 December 2015 - 05:49 PM

I have long believed this.  You combine generally ###### songs with acting in which people burst into song at a moment's notice (###### acting in other words) and the sum most certainly is not greater than it's parts.  It's culture at it's worst.  I hate them.




#3220923 France : What Now?

Posted by slowdive on 26 October 2015 - 03:07 AM

At the risk of turning this thread into yet another "France' debate, i think we have to be realistic about who and what we can expect from expansion.

 

If we look at most existing clubs they are not by and large in the large cities.  I'm told most of Leeds support comes from southern towns like Morley etc.. don't know how true this is.  

 

Why then do we persist in the belief that we can spread the game far and wide when it's not really made significant inroads thus far?

 

I support expansion clubs but we have to be realistic about what they are ever likely to achieve.  I'm a season ticket holder at Cov, and they've had decent crowds but they're not realistically going to challenge Wasps; which was a real downer when they relocated.  I've been a bit disappointed with the crowds at places like Hemel, and that isn't me slagging them off, but I'd hoped for far more as a fairly established club.

 

Going into areas with no footprint of the game is fine and gives people the opportunity to play, but I'd question the value in having a league stuffed full of teams with little or no support.

 

On the other hand we have an area of Southern France where the game is long established and as the Catalans have showed have the potential to make money and get the crowds in.  It seems a no brainer to me especially when the domestic league in France will never be able to compete with Union's mega bucks, even other union clubs in Europe can't compete.

 

As objectionable as Bernard Gausch may come across sometimes, the game in England was built on characters like that feeding their ego and status rivalry between relatively small towns back in the day.  There is real potential to replicate that in southern France especially as their local authorities seem more inclined to support local teams.  I'd add another league at some stage and look to have about ten (guess) French teams trying to work their way up the ladder, fairly in other words.  Three or four top French teams would open up the potential for more sponsorship and better TV money as well as creating a fairly unique 'product' which doesn't really exist anywhere else.

 

I'm not saying I don't think any expansion teams can't work in this country as I think there seems to be promising signs at places like Newcastle and I think potentially at North Wales which seems to get half decent crowds, but lets not pretend that we are going to have professional teams across the country because we are not.  By all means give people the opportunity to play and pathways for them to progress, but at the semi professional/professional level focus on where our strength lies and that is the south of France.




#3220922 France : What Now?

Posted by slowdive on 26 October 2015 - 03:05 AM

I've posted something on the League 1 expansion thread which I will repost here as it seems equally as valid here.  At the risk of repeating myself, we need to include French teams within the English system.  Yes there will be logistical and financial hurdles which we need to overcome, but it seems nonsensical that we are struggling to grow the game here and in France.  The solution seems pretty obvious to me, acknowledging that things are never easy.  There are several clubs in France which can pull in 1,2,3 thousand for at least for certain games, if not more!  With the right support those clubs could be incredibly competitive in the national leagues and I reckon you would get at least one or two which could easily compete a la Catalans in Super League.

 

By the way Hy Wyg, I love your posts.   :clapping:




#3220920 League 1 and expansion prospects

Posted by slowdive on 26 October 2015 - 02:42 AM

At the risk of turning this thread into yet another "France' debate, i think we have to be realistic about who and what we can expect from expansion.

 

If we look at most existing clubs they are not by and large in the large cities.  I'm told most of Leeds support comes from southern towns like Morley etc.. don't know how true this is.  

 

Why then do we persist in the belief that we can spread the game far and wide when it's not really made significant inroads thus far?

 

I support expansion clubs but we have to be realistic about what they are ever likely to achieve.  I'm a season ticket holder at Cov, and they've had decent crowds but they're not realistically going to challenge Wasps; which was a real downer when they relocated.  I've been a bit disappointed with the crowds at places like Hemel, and that isn't me slagging them off, but I'd hoped for far more as a fairly established club.

 

Going into areas with no footprint of the game is fine and gives people the opportunity to play, but I'd question the value in having a league stuffed full of teams with little or no support.

 

On the other hand we have an area of Southern France where the game is long established and as the Catalans have showed have the potential to make money and get the crowds in.  It seems a no brainer to me especially when the domestic league in France will never be able to compete with Union's mega bucks, even other union clubs in Europe can't compete.

 

As objectionable as Bernard Gausch may come across sometimes, the game in England was built on characters like that feeding their ego and status rivalry between relatively small towns back in the day.  There is real potential to replicate that in southern France especially as their local authorities seem more inclined to support local teams.  I'd add another league at some stage and look to have about ten (guess) French teams trying to work their way up the ladder, fairly in other words.  Three or four top French teams would open up the potential for more sponsorship and better TV money as well as creating a fairly unique 'product' which doesn't really exist anywhere else.

 

I'm not saying I don't think any expansion teams can't work in this country as I think there seems to be promising signs at places like Newcastle and I think potentially at North Wales which seems to get half decent crowds, but lets not pretend that we are going to have professional teams across the country because we are not.  By all means give people the opportunity to play and pathways for them to progress, but at the semi professional/professional level focus on where our strength lies and that is the south of France.