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ELBOWSEYE

Member Since 22 Apr 2013
Offline Last Active Aug 31 2015 01:16 PM
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#3153846 Chris Sandow to Warrington

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 06 July 2015 - 06:56 PM

This is not a dig at Warrington but it is quite sad to see talk of two Australians playing in the two most important positions at your club. This is exactly the same scenario at my club, which is always very disappointing to see, as arguably they are no better than what we have had in the past on recent performances. I really feel the game over here in the UK needs to start to real invest in the halfback positions as we are really lacking in some clubs. There is some real promise in George Williams at Wigan plus Sutcliffe at Leeds and Abdull at Hull (chances on both ending up as loose forwards?) but beyond those three, are there any more coming through? It is about time that changed.

Warrington have been pushing young English half backs with myler ,obrien and now patton.smith has been patient but there is a gap that needs covering so the aussies are for that purpose.


#3140257 Crowdwatch Round 18

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 14 June 2015 - 06:54 AM

1. That's true of the awful Boxing day matches when the big stars don't play.
 
2. This is a bit of a default argument, again and again if crowds are seen as poor it's the clubs who didn't work hard enough. Their marketing departments really ought to have a right of reply on here.
 
"Market and they will come" springs to mind.
 
3. Making a game "an occasion" is a great way to boost a crowd it's true, but this was what Keighley and then Bradford Bulls did, all that has worn thin now.
 
You can't have "an occasion" every week. I'm sorry to largely disagree but I do feel that so many of us think growth in the crowds is unlimited, and it's just a matter of working hard. From experience most businesses that go bust have worked extremely hard on finding the customers, that isn't the problem, it's the product.

the rfu have managed to make the six nations an occasion each year and the public turn up. It is full because it is an occasion and not for the rugby on show.


#3140187 Crowdwatch Round 18

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 13 June 2015 - 08:53 PM

This is allegedly the biggest game in British RL yet can only sell LP out if it's a Good Friday. Why?

because it is an occasion and people feel they have to go. The rugby clubs need to work harder to improve crowds. They have to make it an occasion.


#3137379 Crowdwatch

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 08 June 2015 - 03:20 PM

Murphy was very anti P & R. That was his opinion.

I fail to see why this is relevant, i was just mentioning the ideas Warrington were trying to stem the fall in attendance. That Alex Murphy was one of the people is of no consequence.


#3136375 Marquee Player rule approved

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 07 June 2015 - 08:29 AM

Chris22. Matt king a flop.a poor first season maybe, but three top seasons after . Never a flop.


#3129220 Disciplinary

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 25 May 2015 - 06:36 PM

That Paterson one was never intentional in a million years, he was blatantly lifting his arm to get behind the tacklers to offload, I'm staggered it's being looked at.

I can tell the people who have never played, the Patterson was intentional but done by an experienced player to disguise the intent, and I have in my time done the above on many occasions some times receiving bans and red cards ( not that I am proud of these times). And when discussing the incedent with another former forward he came to the same conclusion.

I am not ante Salford or Patterson as I would love him in the wire pack.




#3076573 20 Feb: WCS: Warrington Wolves v St George Illawarra Dragons KO 8pm (TV)

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 22 February 2015 - 01:51 PM

After the dust has settled I think the match has to be looked at overall,
Was it a success: Yes high quality game with two highly committed sides.
The need for the concept to be pushed further is needed to develop the game and to close the gap on standards in the two comps.
As for the Wire fans who stayed at home and couldn't be bothered to turn up the Sky cameras could never replicate a top atmosphere and when you speak to a couple from London who travelled seven hours on the motorways to be there it shames some of the locals.
The debate about the refs should not let us get side tracked from the overall experience and were these building blocks could help move the club game on.


#3073327 This week's disciplinary

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 16 February 2015 - 08:05 PM

Problem with your view, it was not so clear cut as even the commentary team could not agree after numerous views.

The tackle was not a shoulder charge (in my opinion) but I agree he leapt up into the player. The tackle by ben Westwood last week against Salford was worse but he was just sin binned so the panel are like the referees inconsistent.




#3041589 Warrington squad numbers 2015

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 05 December 2014 - 09:00 PM

I'm not very convinced by that squad, particularly in the halves. You could argue that its possibly an improvement on last year's squad, but not as much so as Catalans with Carney, or indeed Saints with Burns (and Walsh available for more than half a season). Its probably safe to assume that Wigan will be their usual selves, so I'd expect those to the the top 3, with Wire, Leeds, Cas and Hudds scrapping for 4th place, maybe along with Salford, who have also improved much more than Wire on paper at least, and finished last season quite strongly.

And then there's HKR, with more or less an entirely new team capable of anything from hopeless to challengers, and the 'comatose giant' of Hull FC, whose squads don't lose much in comparison to Wire's either.

All told, I'd think the Wire are just as likely to finish outside the 8 as coming away with the league leaders shield.

Can't wait to find out though!

Big hook but I will jump on it, the squad last year performed well above what was expected but the signings and the extra experience of the younger players puts them high on the grid and any person who understands the game would expect them to be in the mix when trophies are handed out. outside the 8, really I think the forum needs to introduce testing on forum members if you are serious.




#3015199 Warrington Wolves trio sign new deals

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 16 October 2014 - 06:59 PM

Letting Chris Riley go and signing Kevin Penny.  Somebody explain that to me please.

Letting Riley go was right for the player and club, the retaining of Penny makes no sense.

I am sure there are options from the academy side who are worth a punt and if the unannounced addition who word has it is a centre/ stand off it makes even less sense.




#3012612 'Well Run' clubs

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 12 October 2014 - 09:10 PM

Oh well may as well make up a hat trick of replies.

 

In theory yes, but in practice how do clubs "make progress" without investment, and where do clubs get the investment money from? It could come from profit i.e. staying so far in the black that there's lots of money left to invest in building the club.

 

But I find it hard to find any club that has done this or is doing this now. It may be that Leeds have become a bigger and better club post their 1996 crisis, but I don't know how much still unpaid directors loans were in the mix.

 

Can anyone actually name a club that has built itself up without being gifted big money to get there?

How clubs were given or loaned money is not the issue its how they are run now that matters, they could have been run well for 50 years and gone bust now, the net result is they are bust. The need for income to fund sports clubs is now more critical than ever before, costs are generally more impacting now and the need for off the field revenue more important. The accounts are now open to scrutiny now so how money is brought into clubs and spent is easier to see. If a benefactor supports a club but does not improve the club to be self sufficient he will be a short term success but if he develops the club structures to be more financial effective it could be a long term plan. 




#3001436 25/09/14 - Castleford Tigers v Warrington Wolves KO 8pm (TV)

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 23 September 2014 - 07:47 PM

Only change in the 19 is Wood replacing Russell, no Westwood.
Will play Ratchford at FB and bring in Wood as prop and put Harrison at 13.


#2986768 Joel Moon Sending Off

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 01 September 2014 - 07:14 PM

Just watching the tape. No quarrel with the decision.

Stood watching the game with a club full of Saints fans and thought the decision was correct and a brave call by the ref,

Saints fans still thought the ref was bent to Leeds though.




#2957677 Dr K rips into Mcmanus

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 11 July 2014 - 06:13 PM

This is just Dr morecash spitting his dummy again and having a tantrum because he didn't get the vote to go his way.

 

McManus (and several of the other chairman) have said that they're not opposed to having a marquee player in the future, now isn't the right time for it as there's too many other more pressing issues in the game to sort out. All a marquee player rule will do is see large amounts of money disappear into the pocket of a few individual players (and their agents) instead of it being invested in other parts of the game.

 

McManus has said he wants to see all clubs spending the full cap, all clubs at least breaking even each year, all clubs investing heavily in their youth teams and having them be top rated by the RFL, He also wants to see the reintroduction of an U21's / U23's competition and greater exemptions from the cap for 'home grown' players.

When some of these things have been achieved then he says he will consider voting for the marquee player suggestion.

 

Morecash just wants a quick fix instead of working hard to achieve results

This is the same chairman who bailed saints out for years in the old ground when they spent big on marquee players from all over to gain success, yet now he gets these morals from the position of having a new stadium that will help the club self finance.

He can give the good doctor tips on how to breach the cap as well?




#2940343 Tony Smith to St George and Richard Agar to Warrington?

Posted by ELBOWSEYE on 06 June 2014 - 06:30 PM

I think Smith has taken Wire as far as he can go and they would need a new coach to take them the last step. I think last Year's GF defeat broke them in a way that would take Smith longer to mend than a new coach. Wigan's players now fundamentally know that following Wane's methods will lead them to be champions, as do Leeds under McD. In an era without the giants of the epic Saints and Bradford line ups, organisation, tactical acumen, motivation and great youth development are the keys to success. Smith's approach was a sensible one and nearly paid off - trust great players wherever they came from. He cannot now switch to growing his own team and improve on what he has already achieved without years of patience.
He is a brilliant club builder, and a decent tactician, but Wire would be better off with a new coach, if Moran's money can persuade a top Aussie to take it on. Of course, if it's Agar they'll have their own Moyes season.

Some wishful thinking going on here, he has been developing good youngsters who are starting to come through, he has top quality youngsters (Clarke) replacing M Monas next season and is in he middle of a 3 year plan with the present squad. And last years GF was not won by tactical genius just taking advantage of another teams critical injuries.