Father Ted

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  1. If Corbyn doesn't back another referendum and allows May to take us out of the EU Labour will split. Perhaps not too many MP's but hundreds of thousands of members and millions of voters. Th new centre party may not very high profile MP's but their backers will be well known and be Billionaires and Millionaires who are centre left minded but miles away from Corbyn and his brand of "Labour". I can't imagine what would make Corbyn go for another referendum as a "Remain" vote is virtually guaranteed when he is one of the most anti EU MP's in the HoC. His Labour MP's are going to have to stand up to Corbyn and force him to whip into an anti "No Deal" and extention of A50 otherwise he'll be very happy to see us leave the EU with a deal or not. That's been his ambition for the last 45 years and it ain't going to change in the next few weeks.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    These theories have been wrong for over the 40 years we've been a member of the EEC/EU. We traded outside the European Free Market from the early 195's to 1973. Those of us who lived and worked through that period know it was an economic disaster. All that needs be done is compare the growth rate pa of the UK for the years we traded outside Europe to the years from 1973 to 2015 before Brexit was heard of.
  3. Does anyone think that Corbyn is capable of taking Labour to a working majority in a General Election? He will be yet another Labour leader who hasn't a hope of winning a GE whether that's months or years away. They elected Brown, Milliband and now Corbyn. Come the next GE I reackon we'll end up with another anti-Conservative alliance. Whether we end up with a referendum before the next GE only time will tell. Perhaps the conditions of an alliance might be another referendum?
  4. I'm pretty sure Wigan don't have 11000 season ticket holders. Last year it was between 7 & 8k. There has been an increase I believe but not as much as 3-4k. Poor home crowd for Leeds, but the Rhinos are not what they were.
  5. The Labour bullies are back on Merseyside. On the Wirral, my side of the river, councellors are resigning the Party stating bullying and intimidation as the reason.
  6. Unless Labour and Corbyn go for a Public Vote re Brexit they will sink without trace. They are totally out of touch with their MP's, members and voters.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    There is absolute certainty that we will be worse off trading outside the EU without Free Trade than trading inside with the benefit of free trade. Our goods will be subject to tariffs and non tariff restrictions. The Leave campaigners of course lied about this. They said we'd continue the FTA with the EU whilst being outside of it. We would not pay another penny to the EU once we'd left. Blatantly untrue and they knew that when saying it. The idea we can leave the EU and be better off is ludicrous. We are already worse off due to Brexit and it will get much worse if/when we leave.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Brexit is a means to an end. The end result is we have left the EU and are trading outside its FTA. At present we only have 3 free trade deals in the bag with Aus, NZ and Israel. They represent around 2.5% of UK exports between them. We won't have Free Trade Deals with the EU with is 45% of our exports as the FTA deal has to be negotiated. The much touted FTD with the USA isn't happening. The result is we won't have FT Deals for 97.5% of our exports. The referendum campaign left us in no doubt that we would be better off out side of the EU than in it. We now know this is plain wrong. Some of us knew it was wrong at the time and the Leave politicians were lying through their teeth. Others believed them. So why would we do something for a second time when the first time we tried it was an economic disaster? The move to Leave the EU is simply repeating history. So why are they doing that? Is it because they don't know their history or they do know it and are trying to repeat the process and have a different outcome?
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Even if the ERG do pull their opposition to the Bill the Cooper/Boles amendment could still get through. Their are plenty Conservative MP's and Ministers who will oppose it. Labour's problem are their MP's who think Remain but in vote Leave seats who are saying they will support May's Bill. If Corbyn allows May's Bill to pass when he could have Whipped and seen it defeated then Whipped and seen the amendment successful then he will have failed his MP's, party members and the majority of Labour voters who voted Remain. With Corbyn such a poor Leader then anything could happen.
  10. Good show, really enjoy it.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Interesting article last week from Peter Kelner of YouGov who stated that the Leave majority no longer existed. Due to time the 1.27m majority had disappeared as that more than that number had died in the two and a half years since the referendum. The crossover date where Leave voters became less than Remain voters was 19th January 2019. So one can only suggest that if there's no majority to Leave then there's no mandate to Leave. Which then give only one option if the Govt wishes to Leave. Another referendum!
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Yes Saintslass we do know that. To knock No Deal off the table May has to put forward another Bill. That's what it's all about at this stage. If she doesn't and 19 from her cabinet resign to vote against her Bill then her Govt could collapse. How she uses the weekend will be critical.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    If it is true the Govt asked them to say this then perhaps May is thinking of removing No Deal from the Bill herself. Not a lot would surprise me if she thought it was her best way of staying as PM and not splitting the Con Party. It was on the tv last night that 19 Con ministers/junior ministers had a meeting over the Boles/Cooper amendment and their support of it.A resignation or two can be handled but if 19 were to quit her Govt then it could collapse. May will sacrifice her Brexit headbangers to keep her Cabinet in place and by next Tuesday we'll know how she's reading things.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Both the Irish and EU can see the shambles May and her Government are in. They also know next weeks business in the HoC where May is again likely to be defeated. What happens and where the UK is by Friday remains to be seen. I doubt the Governments position will be the same by the end of the week as it is now. The EU just need to wait and see as anticipating what may happen will be difficult.
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    salford v wigan

    Hardaker played the 80, 60 at full back with the last 20 centre. He scored a try playing centre and Escare scored a try when he replaced Zak at full back.