Father Ted

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  1. Father Ted

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    The people I know who voted Leave told me they wanted to get out so we wouldn't be paying monies to the EU from the day we left. They also believed that we would get a trade deal because the German Car makers would demand a deal. The opposite of reality as the German's said they'd take a hit on the UK as long as the EU maintained the single market and customs. Leave MP's deliberately misled voters by promises that would never be fulfilled. You either voted Leave because you believed their lies or you knew we would all be more prosperous staying in the EU and voted Remain. Anyone who thinks we'd be more prosperous outside of the European Free Trade Area could not be more wrong. We traded outside the Common Market and it was an economic disaster. If we trade outside of the EU we will face the same economic disaster as last time. Why do these people think they can repeat the process and get a different outcome?
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    People voted leave for more than three tenents. Payments to the EU would cease from the day we left. We would retain access to the free EU market. Control of borders, immigration, None of those would ever be on offer as the EU would never ever agree. Wouldn't matter who controlled the negotiations, May, Davis, Raab or anyone else. The whole Leave campaign was full of promises and undertakings that could not and would not ever be fulfilled. Now when Brexiters find their wishes will never be granted they are angry and blaming May, plus of course the EU. They got their ridiculous ideas wrong from the start. Trading outside the European Free Trade Area was a disaster the last time we tried it and will be a disaster if we are daft enough to do it again. How it will all end well who knows. Today's further devaluation down to 1.10 against the Euro is dreadful. When I paid my hotel bill in Portugal 2015 I got 1.40 Euro against the £. Over 20% devaluation and we haven't left yet. Trouble is there isn't any leadership either from the Government or Opposition. What a mess!
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Brexit didn't properly address the migration problem as Non EU migration was never mentioned. Non EU migration has always been higher than EU migration and costs the country a lot of money whereas EU migration is of financial benefit to the UK. The papers tonight are full of conspiracies of ministers meeting opposition parties to discuss another referendum or a "Norway" style deal. My bet is on another referendum which with a Remain win would put an end to all this Brexit stuff forever.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    No use going on about EU immigration being reduced without applying the same to Non EU migrants. OK there's not free movement but far more Non EU migrants have entered the UK in the past 10 years, or 15 or 20 or whatever number of years are chosen. The whole immigration issue is a mess because it hasn't been discussed openly, honestly and objectively.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    When the referendum does arrive demographics suggest Remain will win with a substantial majority. 2016 referendum had a 1.27m Leave majority with 40% of the leave votes from the 65+ age group. The over 75s voted 90% to Leave. Given that over 500,000 over 65s die each year then the Leave majority will have been cut by two thirds by now. Contrast that with the 5m that have joined the electoral register since the referendum (3m for the GE) and surveys have shown that 75-80% of that much younger age group would vote Remain. This does suggest that even if everyone who voted in the 2016 voted the same in another referendum there would be a sizable majority for Remain.
  6. Father Ted

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    May has repeatedly said "My Deal, No Deal or No Brexit. Her deputy David Livington was on the radio tonight saying that Conservative MPs had better realise that it was the PM's deal or re-visiting the 2016 referendum which would be the end of Brexit. May has gone round the country trying to sell her deal and sent ministers out over the weekend to sell her deal. Does that not suggest that we are going to be asked again in a referendum. My guess would be May's deal v referendum. May has threatened a referendum for some weeks, it would not surprise me if she did call it.
  7. Father Ted

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Yes Henage, it failed in the past and will fail again if tried. So why are they repeating history? Is it because they don't know their history, or due to them seeking to repeat the process and expecting a different outcome?
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    We left EFTA in 1973 to join the Common Market because there wasn't enough trade. Same for the Commonwealth where we had a fta. Now we are to return to those that failed us in the past. Great this Brexit innit?
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Saw a great Christmas jumper yesterday specially for Brexiters, it said "All I want for Christmas is a Unicorn"s From the start of this Brexit rubbish those who know me have heard me say "Brexit isn't just stupid it's stupid on steroids" A deliberate move to make the UK and all of us who live here massively poorer". Although 17.4m voted for it the majority was 1.27m which doesn't exist anymore!
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    This is all about leaving the EU. What has always concerned me is that people want us to leave the wealthiest Free Trade Organisation in the World. The USA, Japan, S Korea, Aus & NZ are all in negotiations with the EU in an attempt to gain FTA with the EU. We in the UK have voted to leave this FTA. All about politics almost nothing is said about Industry, Investment and Employment. We are going in the wrong direction purely for the purposes of the Conservative Party.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Come off it Oxford, given its history there's more irony in Brexit than you would ever imagine. Almost every post and pov is ironic given the subject matter.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    No it isn't pro active at all. There is nothing pro active about the UK trading outside of the EU. It was tried before until 1973. We were subject to tariffs, non tariff restrictions and quotas. It was an economic disaster. Exactly the same will happen after March 29th if we Leave. Trading outside the EU is old hat, hopeless, was and will be a complete and utter failure. So why is it all being repeated? Is it being repeated because people don't know their history, or do they know their history and intend repeating the process and expecting a different outcome?
  13. Father Ted

    Jarrod Sammut leaves London Broncos

    He's a squad player outside of the first 17. Cover for Williams and Leuluai. Widdop isn't coming to SL, he's changed his mind and staying in the NRL.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Tom Newton Dunn talked about the ;prospect of this happening on Tuesday night tv. Looks like he was ahead of the game. His view was that this is where Parliament can be more powerful than the Prime Minister. The cross party bit is the stinger. All parties can support it and it could be successful if all the opposition parties voted for the amendment. Overall though to overturn the referendum result would be to have another, hopefully this 3rd referendum will settle it.
  15. Does Corbyn know Labour are opposing Brexit? He's one of the most anti EU MP's in the HoC. At least we are reassured that if Brexit fails and there's a GE at least Corbyn won't be PM. That is unless Labour get themselves a new leader between now and the next GE.