The Parksider

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  1. There is no central finding as such. It points to the SKY contract being inadequate of course. But thanks for the reality post, we can hopefully get away from fans whose clubs have a rich owner having a go at those that don't.
  2. Well well well. Thank you for that very interesting information indeed good sir. I wonder what would have happened if he had put nothing in and "cut the club's cloth"............
  3. Have they, all of these fans had nowt to do with HKR ten 15 or 20 years ago?? So according to you two HKR is a well run business that has attracted 7,000 new fans since it;s return to SL: Comedy Double Act
  4. Nah, footy club owners chuck money away on their clubs not their businesses, Hudge is no different. He even admitted it Steve.
  5. Iconic stadium flogged off for a return to being a waste tip? Are you back to the idea of a new stadium for Bulls??
  6. Well it appears to say the Bulls got £787K as a parachute payment to pay for the 2015 campaign and £500K for a second place finish 2015 paying for the 2016 campaign??? Marc Green's retirement was based on being out of the prize money wasn't it? I appreciate this does not fully compensate for the loss of SL level funding, but you'll have to see Wood Rimmer and Solly about that. After all they capped Bradford and Leigh at £1M to stop any overspend trying to pay SL wages, then they capitulated and allowed Beaumont to maybe put his house and business and club on the line. I don't recall Green following that policy so he must have some financial prudence??
  7. Well I may not have it all immediately to hand. I have to hand a statement that the RFL and those for the system said in 2014 "It will make movement between SL and the championship much easier for clubs to handle than a conventional P & R system" Parachute payments were "£788,000 and £787,000" "First and second in the championship £550,000 and £500,000 respectively". I don't quite have the fine detail but it appears the system Marc Green voted for in line with the RFL was designed to give Bulls a financial chance to get straight back up, and if by any chance they just failed it was designed to heavily reward them getting close, so they could have another pop at it. Marc Green was simply playing the RFL's game he and six other clubs voted in, and which Wood and particularly Solly made it abundantly clear that SKY wanted to see the jeopardy of clubs going up and down. Go back to stardate 2003 when Mike Stephenson made it abundantly clear that an SL club who was "cutting their cloth" to avoid financial problems by not spending the full salary cap were committing a "crime". Stevo was saying clubs had to play the game and compete or get out, SKY did not want clubs to be just surviving so they could get to the next season for another SKY handout. Far from condemning the Bradford Bulls for an overspend the condemnation from Stevo on behalf of SKY was of clubs drifting probably like Wakefield and Widnes are doing today as they allegedly have not been spending full cap. If Green had banked the £Half a Million for a rainy day that would have been akin to theft. People have got the wrong villains here. If all Widnes and Wakey can do is drift we may be heading for a 10 club SL. Whilst we agonise about a championship club overspending we forget that the game is (very sadly)all about the Superleague contract. Championship clubs are expendable in this reality, and the 12 point penalty is as ridiculous for Bulls and the No penalty for Salford in the year they cheated the cap.
  8. I dropped that agenda some time ago Steve. My current agenda is one club in Bradford, not none. What was your agenda with all the stuff you posted on the Bradford thread BTW?
  9. 1. The Hull City academy will now be a supply line for Hull FC who will offer the one or two lads who will shine each year Superleague Contracts. The best players will all go to Hull. Even if HKR go back up they and their dads know where they need to sign and that's with a top class club, who wins trophies. The last thing FC will do is "share". 2. Since they came in and propped Hull KR up with their own money, had they not done so you may well need to ponder where you may be now? Look no further than Bradford. The "Symbiotic" relationship Hull/HKR supposedly had didn't pump up the numbers of kids playing in Hull and the universes greatest Derby slowly lost it's appeal until HKR couldn't sell it out in a smaller ground. Go steady having a go at fellow clubs good sir.
  10. 1. Never said that. I said the RFL put a system in and paid half a £Million to clubs like Bradford and Leigh so they could be full time and compete with SL clubs for places to provide entertainment for the SKY contract. The RFL did not pay those monies so clubs could pay off their debts and stay/go part time. The monies were paid to make the system SKY apparently wanted, work. Had Bradford not joined in SKY would have been pretty miffed. You make the spectacular mistake as many do thinking you can take SKY's money and tuck it away for a rainy day. You can't you have to compete. I think some of the more considered posters are getting this point now, 2. That's a poor point, you'll have me in tears. The limited liability laws allow companies to overspend i.e. invest, and take a chance they may succeed. Without these laws the economy would be shot, unable to borrow and invest in case the directors end up in Newgate debtors prison. All those who traded with the Bulls certainly knew the risks and took them. Please leave the violins out of this Lizzy. 3. "The end of a club in Bradford" Have I missed something here? Have Chalmers and Lowe pulled out????? 4. "Poor Bradford fans" How many times have you come on here to have a go at the poor Bradford fans when they were winning stuff and Halifax were struggling because they "cut their cloth". I think it's Halifax's predicament that probably persuaded most Bradford people to back a couple of all out go's at getting out of the Championship. After cutting your cloth 13 years ago you have ended up taking SKY's prize money to pay debts that also saw your club slash wages by 10%. When SKY and the RFL wanted clubs to make this system work Halifax said no. Green took the money and played the game, that's what the RFL wanted to try to satisfy SKY.
  11. You describe all threads, this thread is nothing special. Let the readers who don't enter the bear pit to "shout" make their own minds up.
  12. Then your blind to them being given a parachute payment to allow them to stay professional and compete for SL and your blind to them being given prize monies to do it all over again, which they duly did. Your blind to the RFL: abandoning any financial prudence, abandoning any Championship cap to facilitate clubs being able to spend even more. Deal with the points not me. I didn't post about the RFL's "an enhanced environment for club financial failure"; .
  13. The lad asked that whoever took on the Bulls grew the club and show they had the resources to do so. That is clearly asking for a Hudgell or a Koukash. So what do you want for Xmas?
  14. I hope it doesn't go in LE why should it? He says:- show me how this club still not just survives, but grows. Show me you have the resources to cover that He's basically just asking for a rich owner or don't bother. 25 other clubs fans want that. He'd reject Kevin Nicholas taking over, the master of stability,
  15. Thanks for that honesty, much appreciated. You and Bulls both played the system, neither of you invented it. The RFL did.