The Parksider

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  1. Well your so wide of the mark on that, but it's just normal for the course with you. Swinton have had to try to compete in a league well above their financial capability, in the end the answer appears to be to start again down in Championship1. Are Oldham overstretching themselves BTW?
  2. The rest will always be what do Toronto offer Superleague? As I understand it the RFL are responsible for the growth of the game itself so they rightly have given Toronto a place in the Championship to achieve that growth. The jam tomorrow. Some of us believe it will come automatically, some of use believe it won't. SL are responsible for running the best competition they can to underpin the SKY contract and so they rightly do that and have even said what overseas clubs need to work on and then offer Superleague to be considered for entry. If you or anyone can give me an answer to what I've asked 50 times, these threads can move on and the Moderator can be happy so I will await a reasonable answer from you or anyone else?
  3. Well I didn't mean that, I meant Toronto has 7,000 fans but they are unlikely to go to away matches. I agree the home side has principally to try to fill their stadia, but "principles" aside the practicality is one of Bulls and HKR offering increased away support that the SL chairmen want as per Lockwoods comments. It's always a two way street as well for the all games not just the derbies, so in reality clubs share a responsibility to get big crowds. They are not selling two different things, or competing to sell their product instead of a rival supplier selling it. When Bradford sell 16,000 tickets for a Derby game at Odsal and Leeds sell 4,000 tickets and coach travel for a game they are jointly selling the same thing.
  4. Thank you.
  5. My stance has always been that Toronto do not offer any away fans, do not offer a paying TV contract, do not excite M62 fans, do not develop players yet and it's admitted this is 15-20 years away. Their crowds put nothing in the SL coffers. I've said this 100 times to the annoyance of the Mods. So for me they have no case for SL at all, as don't North American clubs who don't even exist. Stay in the Championship and build towards these things. We can move forward if someone answers the above I've asked far more times than your 3 Lizzy?
  6. I'll take your Widnes Challenge, how about the Leigh issue as per Gary, plus please be a gent and answer my point/stance below.
  7. 7,000 is roughly the Toronto crowd. The western terrace at Headingley makes a really good rule of thumb indicator. I've seen the away crowds for Leigh, Widnes and Fartown etc who do bring significant followings better than expansion clubs. It's not "nobody" Catalans do indeed add players to the pool, but they can't put out that test team the game longs for, they don't appear to produce decent players in key positions, I'm not against them, in fact I'm for Toulouse all day long as they offer so much more for me than Toronto. I can't see that we can expand the game in coutries with one "token" club. If we take another team with "no away fans" let that be Toulouse. We keep getting "Expand or die" as the argument for Toronto, do you believe in this slogan applying to Superleague?
  8. They can try Tonka. But they didn't want to. They just wanted to buy in. And six SL clubs said no and no doubt HKR and Bradford will be No's when they return hopefully as licenses in 2019........... They can still try, but not in SL.
  9. (A) The report was in league express later league express understood Widnes were the target. Following the approaches to Leigh Gary O told us about and Widnes, the agenda for the SL meeting (photographed by League Express) included Widnes/Leigh. It's a fair conclusion that those approaches were discussed by the SL clubs, and as regards this it was also reported that the SL clubs discussed Toronto and six dismissed them on the "no away fans" idea. (B)Now of course virtually every Totonto Cheerleader was happy to accept those comments were made by the six superleage dinosaurs and a whole thread accepted it because it suited them to believe it. So Sorry Tommy, it's hard to have a conversation with you and others who want to deny things that don't suit them but make up stuff like we see in your post under(b) Where you are again in denial. I say there is no risk whatsoever blocking Wolfpack from SL as they offer SL nothing. BUT there is also no risk yet in allowing them to play in the Championship for some years so they can build canadian RL and seek a paying TV contract as is required of them (albeit they didn't want to do that hence they bid for SL clubs places) Now lets switch to league Weekly. Lockwood says:- "If your running Fax or Fev how many visiting fans do you reckon you'd get from Toronto, Toulouse, London and Perpignan if they went down and Newcastle if they went up......joy will not be universal at the Bulls facing the drop......and it's exactly the same motivation amongst the SL chairmen.......they all want Bulls and HKR back in "the comp"......They will smile and say otherwise but Catalans, London Toulouse and even Toronto are not much use to them at all. If you or anyone else have not got the good faith and manners to accept what the RL press is saying and reporting, if you or anyone else think it's clever to intimate people are liars, then go ahead, but from now I won't waste my time on people who are blinded by so many stars (and maple leafs) in their eyes and blind ambition in their heads, that they can't have a gentlemanly discussion....
  10. GS Thanks for your support but I have to pull you up as well The SL bosses have been saying openly in the RL press that for overseas clubs to come in as guests they need to produce professional SL level players, and attract paying TV contracts. Just the other week six of them also said that as far as Toronto's 7,000 fans were concerned that didn't matter, what mattered was they would be unlikely to bring away fans. The bottom line here is if nobody had bothered to watch Toronto, say 200 had turned up, we would be condemning them as another Hemel Hempstead, but because 7,000 turned up that has really raised peoples ideas about what can be achieved. Then when we are told there's a market of 400,000,000 it raises ideas that a whole series of well financed and well supported clubs can spring up all over North America. All we need to do to facilitate this is gradually bring them one by one into Superleague and eject English clubs one by one. Yours included.......
  11. I appreciate Argyle can sustain Toronto on his money until stardate 4000.a.d. But what you miss is most SL clubs are sustainable through a combination of rich owners, and the ability to produce pro players. and the ability to attract a £200K deal from SKY. When you talk about "team(s)" The reality is there is only one in North America, and they only score on one out of the three important criteria necessary to be an assett to Superleague. Instead of trolling with Moc, just do some thinking.........
  12. Yes it does and therefore Toronto need to build on that on the face of it. Now, if it was say London Skolars who got 7,000 we would all be jumping for joy and keen for the profits to go into building their infrastructure, both players and ground/facilities. But as Perez's boss Argyle is very rich then he doesn't need big gates to find investment to grow Toronto to be a Superleague club. He just needs an SL place so he tried to buy one from Leigh and one from Widnes. However when it comes to interest you also will not want to accept the fact that Superleague is not interested in Torontos crowds. They are interested in:- 1. Toronto getting a TV deal that pays and you won't get that on 7,000 viewers. 2. Toronto growing the game. If the 7,000 started to play that would be great though. But sadly as they all appear to swill so much beer they may not make it to Pro-Level.
  13. The Superleague bosses asked for Toronto to take us to an expansion in people actually playing the game and players being developed to Superleague Level in Canada. The purpose was two fold, to prevent the Canadians (and the French too) from draining our player resources, and to build a playing strength to create serious International teams. The RFL on the inclusion of Catalans were also keen to achieve a resurgence of a French International game as well. Equally the bosses of SL want Toronto and Toulouse to take us to paying TV contracts. The inclusion of a series of overseas clubs at the expense of English clubs will not help relations with SKY if the TV audience has the same tastes as audiences at the grounds. Foreign clubs not to the taste of English audiences will need to bring us paying TV contracts to compensate. As it stands Catalans have developed some French Pro players that will probably save them. Toronto and Toulouse are yet to deliver. Also as you can see the international focus is far more for International games between counties and not between clubs in different countries. This is not hard to understand and is evidenced by a desire from us all to rival Rugby Union where France and even Canada can field pretty strong teams.
  14. Gary O for the Leigh attempt and Martyn Sadler's league express for the Widnes attempt.
  15. Canadians gave up on Rugby League as recently as 2003. Whatever you sell as a Franchise you would not try to sell it somewhere interest in it died out as recently as 2003.