The Parksider

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  1. I'm genuinely asking you if the Bulls would have survived had Marc Green been handed that £787,000 for a parachute payment into a semi pro Championship. I'm genuinely proposing the large majority of fans will just want to hear some positive noises and then they can get back on board and see if they can help the club forward.
  2. 1. Well I can only guess that the committed fans whose life and businesses revolve around a passionate love for Bradford Bulls .i.e. the ""Real Fans" as we often call them will stay on board. The problem always is the real fans are not enough in number to create the success the Bulls may crave, to once again achieve. Now the Bulls are to go semi pro to survive a thousand more may peel away and what that may reveal is 3,000 real fans and a loss of 12,000 "Plastic" Bulls fans, Sadly it's the latter 12,000 Bulls need and the Bulls new Directors will do well not to wash any dirty laundry in public and put them off. 1. You tacitly agree seemingly. SKY pay as little as they can get away with leaving clubs always teetering on the brink. Yet you and others go mad at the Directors who try their best to help your clubs survive when they fail to do so. Again the villainous Marc Green turned out to have lost £2,000,000 and several years of his families life trying to make it work. The man actually came out and gave the fans all the answers in the LE article. What do you want Lizzy? Blood??
  3. Go steady Adey, you do not speak for the 15,000, and I know I don't but the attendance figures back my theory that most of them want on the field success, after all the internal dealings of the club may not be the business of the consumer any more than shennanigans in the Sainsbury's boardroom is my concern when I'm buying my groceries.. What is the truth as regards Bulls survival had the Championship being semi pro on a low cap??
  4. It's never been a "new question" to ask whether Bulls would have survived if they had received an £800K parachute payment at the end of 2014 into a semi-pro championship operating on a low salary cap? You are welcome to explain that they would have gone anyway, I'll always give way to your honest assessments, but if they would not have collapsed under those circumstances then this would be an important point.
  5. The fans want success, the fans want the club to win games, the fans want the club to climb the league, and the fans want Superleague. Isn't this painfully obvious?? If the new owners today are "open and honest" and say they haven't got any money to invest in the club but they have a business plan to break even on a low salary cap with a mainly semi pro team, and if they go down they will adjust that salary spend right down and run at a lower semi-pro budget to stay alive will the fans all be cheering and climbing aboard the Bulls express? You still don't get it that owners are forced to "BS" the fans or many won't turn up if the truth doesn't sound too good to them..
  6. The "TV rights" that Championship clubs received are based on them appearing on TV in a league structure that many SL clubs vehemently did not want and did not vote for and was never proved to be wanted by SKY either, and is failing miserably. So they certainly have grounds to complain and the unanswered question is would Bradford Bulls have collapsed had they being relegated to a Championship that was wholly semi professional with a cap of say £400K. If Green had a couple of £hundred grand to put in that would have helped pay full cap for several seasons to come.
  7. It's way way off thread apart from one point below........... The SKY money is paid for Superleague to be on TV and always has been, that several £Million went to Championship clubs this last contract has greatly angered SL clubs, who need every penny they can get. If you want to start a thread suggesting Championship clubs and SL clubs should all get the same SKY money then please do so and I think you will get some challenging and interesting replies. As for Bradford If no extra TV money had gone to the championship and Bulls and the other clubs had played to a semi pro low salary cap then Green may still be with them and they may still be challenging for promotion, think about that before shouting "rubbish"
  8. Well mis-reading the whole post deliberately to come to a false conclusion isn't engaging in the actual point I made. You say "what you could do is lobby for a meeting with the new club to answer fans questions and tell them what the vision is for that new club". What would you do? Ask them if they are going to only spend the income they get so the books will balance??? If they say "yes" then the future will pretty much be another Halifax type existence. Would you then ask them "are you going to put your own money in and if so how much" and if they say "no" which seems likely what else if there to ask. It confirms a Halifax type existence. What you mean by "vision" I really couldn't understand, I think that may be a polite way of asking them are you putting any money in yourself? It may however be a request for the new owners to say what their ambitions are and of course the previous two new "new owners" have been pushed to answer the vision question. The only answer they can give is some version of "take the club forward" what do you expect them to say?? And when they say that but don't do it, they will end up being villified by the fans like the rest of the Bulls owners whose only crime was short arms and long pockets.
  9. Fans pay £20 to go through the turnstile, watch the match and go home after which the deal is over, they paid their money and got their match. Everything that "went on" at Halifax or Bradford would be pretty irrelevant to all Fax and Bulls fans if someone invested a few £Million and reversed the decline. If someone could better the £2,000,000 Green apparently put in then they'd easily get that "trust". Then the "trust" would run out with the money. If nobody has enough money to make the climb back then Bulls can easily survive as long as they can find 20 odd players and a park to play on, plus a mini bus to get to away games which some CC1 clubs manage to survive on. I don't think the fans have anything to worry about as regards survival, and I don't think the fans should be moaning about the various management teams at Bulls or Halifax who just didn't have the private money available to compete. If you want a villain try SKY who simply did not pay enough TV money to sustain Superleague at 14 clubs. Thus Bradford were in the wrong place at the wrong time as they slashed to 12. Wakey were in the right place at the right time to benefit from SKY being pushed to cover the SL wage bill of clubs in full. Is Mr. Carter a genius with what he's done at Wakefield without money? Maybe Bradford can poach him and move the Bulls to Dewsbury.
  10. You keep pedalling this myth as if slashing budgets to meet income levels was somehow what would have saved Bradford. Haifax tried this in SL and cut the playing budget right down to IIRC £500,000 to avoid administration and promptly came bottom of Supleleague on nil points and were relegated, They "cut their cloth" and turned off 4,000 of their fans who deserted the club over a three year period. Green didn't cut Bradford's cloth and go part time because he knew how many more fans would have fallen off the bandwagon only for him to have cut that cloth again and again. Halifax are still cutting their cloth 13 year on with players being asked to take a 10% cloth cutting drop in wages for this year. Green spent loads of money he did apparently personally have to give the fans a chance of promotion, having two stabs at it which sadly didn't work. What would have been the point of him just sitting there and managing a club on a low "income only" based budget? The fans would have just peeled away as they do, and the club still end up struggling in the Championship. If fans want sustainability and prudent budgets look no further than Hunslet. We are balancing budgets year on year and only spending what comes in, thus securing the clubs future. The 400 fans are happy to have a sustainable club, the 1600 that walked are not.
  11. The records show people don't go when their clubs are down and not winning and when their clubs start winning and go back up most of them get back on the bandwagon. HKR fans at 8,000 in the glory years managed to drop to a low of just over 1,000 for a league game against Chorley over several years of decline, and when the rich owners climbed on board and the club started to rise again so did the fan numbers until they were back in Superleague on erm 8,000 crowds. The fans don't like losing, so there's no point creating a fans club or expecting fans to rally round in numbers to get back to former glories as they don't do this. Bulls simply need the successfully proven model. Mr. Rich and Mr. Generous.
  12. There is no central finding as such. It points to the SKY contract being inadequate of course. But thanks for the reality post, we can hopefully get away from fans whose clubs have a rich owner having a go at those that don't.
  13. Well well well. Thank you for that very interesting information indeed good sir. I wonder what would have happened if he had put nothing in and "cut the club's cloth"............
  14. Have they, all of these fans had nowt to do with HKR ten 15 or 20 years ago?? So according to you two HKR is a well run business that has attracted 7,000 new fans since it;s return to SL: Comedy Double Act
  15. Nah, footy club owners chuck money away on their clubs not their businesses, Hudge is no different. He even admitted it Steve.