The Parksider

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  1. I used to discus these things with Cas Vegas an ardent fan who once said that he knew a lot of Cas fans but oddly none who lived in Cas. Another Cas fan explained that nearby Pontefract is keen on RL and roughly splits between being Cas Fans and Fev fans. My missus works with a couple of Cas fans who live in northwest leeds, and an old work mate was a Kippax lad but a Cas fan. My dentist is a West Cumbria lad who moved to Leeds who watches the Bulls.
  2. Do you ever read posts more carefully and consider what they are saying? Do you ever step back from what others are shouting out and make up your own mind on the facts? i.e "what it is"? Because half this board fantasises about what RL could be. Every time a new amateur club starts outside the north they are projected as the next new SL club, every time an International gets a good crowd outside the M62 it's hailed as the good people of the UK seeing the light. In articles like this one a heavily subsidised Cas who have managed to get lapsed fans back thanks to a good coach (which is really "what it is") is hailed as a terrific business success. This isn't being "positive" it's fantasy RL. Now I LOVE the game and love talking about it and watching it at all levels. What I don't love is those who clearly are not happy that the game which could have sunk to nothing in the 1970's, and could have been swamped by RU post 1996 has survived brilliantly. They want more and will fantasise to get it. Some of us don't fantasise about what RL could be, we don't hail Toronto as already being a spectacular success, we don't project a new Welsh SL club on the way because Wales is re-starting an amateur league, we don't see the Coventry 4 nations attendance as the UK turning to Rugby league. We do enjoy it for what it is Dav, and we reserve the right not to fantasise about what it could be all the time.
  3. We also still have the rules that SL/Lenegan may impose on them (that he imposed on Toulouse) as well as the RFL's possible rule changes. Toronto are rich enough and Perez enthusiastic enough to just plough on forward and see where it all goes and try to cross all these bridges when they come to them.
  4. No I think it's called "Playing Rugby League". People are allowed to do that you know? Or do you know? Before 1996 people were pressurised NOT to do that so today they are more freely allowed to choose to play Rugby League and many Rugby people will have a go at playing both. The removal of this sporting apartheid allows Wales to freely play the game not that they haven't at times manfully resisted the apartheid. What people "Playing Rugby League" doesn't mean is that as they play it in any certain area more will get interested, the game will start to take off so much so that investors will come on board and the failed professional projects of Pre-WWI, Pontyprydd, Cardiff City and Celtic Crusaders will become a thing of the past and West Wales will join the Superleague. "Organic growth" is a principle of business where you expand a commercial business through more staff and customers that then grows it further, and further again. If you care to look (for once, please look it all up) playing RL is NOT a business, being subsidised to play in CC1 like Scorpions isn't a business either. It's just sport and your being really naive and unfair to want to project such as Rhonda Outlaws ("Training numbers for Rhondda Outlaws have been low, I thinking about 6/7 bodies") into a future Superleague club. The first Challenge for you is to find me somewhere where real "Organic Growth" (not subsidy) has actually worked in terms of expanding the footprint of professional Rugby league. The second challenge for you is to get real and stop fantasising because I think it is really unfair every time some people try to get RL going that people like you then pile the burden of going professional on them. For a simple example look up Hemel Hempstead's story.
  5. The review led by Draper was supposed to be conducted and recommendations made fairly early, possible before the time when clubs start to negotiate contracts. This may or may not become an issue for Toronto. However other issues could click in like straight P & R. All the point was saying was rules may change. Toronto said they were looking at about five years anyway, but we shall see.
  6. I certainly never said or indicated you were "fickle", but your idea of the club being on a downhill run for decades doesn't match my experience at all and what would many on here give for Fartown's seventeen year run in Superlegue plus Wembley and league Leaders. That's something plus is something other SL clubs have not managed leaving Huddersfield Giants probably one of the top ten clubs in the modern game. I remember Fartowns decline from Division 1 in 1978 to second bottom of the whole pile ten years later on paltry crowds averaging 500. The curve after that was very much upward with Fartown on a winning curve and returning to 3,000 crowds just before Davey took over. Greater decline and sadness can be found in many many other places than Leeds Road Huddersfield.
  7. Lordy GS what a short memory. League leaders not so long ago.......
  8. Given the rush to review the structures that "Increased cap" may also be under review. It may remain to be seen how any Championship Club with ambition has to work it's way to Superleague next year 2018. The big spending clubs could get clipped wings. We shall see.
  9. Well in 2009 they played a whole European Cup two groups of three winners met in the final. Results included...... Italy 0 Scotland 104 before 2,139 fans and Ireland 82 Serbia 0 before 250 fans.......The Final was Wales 28 Scotland 16 before 1,608. 2010 Wales, France, Scotland and Ireland played in the European cup. Close games, big crowds in France, couple of thousand in Wales, in the hundreds in Scotland and Ireland. 10,500 at the final in France. That was not repeated a year later. Instead Wales played ireland to warm up for their 4 nations debut, and France gave England a warm up before 17,000. The Knights played and got 2000 against. France in Leigh. 2011 was a mish mash. Knights played in ireland and scotland before low crowds and got high scores in these games plus a return against Ireland - average 60 points a game. So for me on recent form a six team comp = Italy with massive problems, and England Knights strolling it. Good crowds in France poor elsewhere.......
  10. I'd agree with the opening analysis, but more so some club officials agree with that. The Swinton shock is on the back of the Oldham shock last year at HKR. I thought your opinion on P&R was out of left field until I realised that as it stands now Superleague Survival is more imperative then ever and clubs will take chances to rest players during the cup rounds. I would not agree cup shocks will enable Championship Clubs to fancy their chances in the play offs. The play offs will be when SL clubs will certainly not be resting anyone or resting on their laurels. The championship clubs that can fancy their chances will be the ones running fully professionally.
  11. Enjoyable and interesting post. That there aren't the players to buy and that Fartown aren't an attraction to those available, and the downgrading of the Bulls academy means the move to boost Fartown's academy looks to be a great move. Hopefully the first team won't ruin that through relegation.
  12. Very good point, sorry you were slagged off above. In reality Les Catalans two year licence then ran into a three year licence 2009 and as you say they have become one of the big RL clubs and are a success story. The reason the RFL have not followed this "succesful model" is that during the mid 2000's the game was on a policy of expansion and Richard Lewis had the clout over the SL clubs on this no-brainer. France were wanted in SL in 1996 but wrongly chose Paris, then they froze over expansion until Lewis arrived. Do remember Celtic Crusaders didn't go straight in SL, and the model failed for not just Paris but also Gateshead. here is your clue as to why Toronto have not gone straight in. Les Catalans offered an (1) existing junior/amateur game, and (2) an an existing fanbase and (3) the prospect of test Rugby between England and France. Toronto offer none of this at the moment, and so the RFL have put them in the bottom division like Celtic Crusaders where they probably have to go on to prove that they can develop Canadian players and get a TV deal that will boost SL income across the board. That was the last stated requirement of the SL chairman for accepting "guest" clubs into Superleague. Toronto have only been accepted into the RL Championship, and Superleague is indeed the glass ceiling you quote where boxes will need ticking. Good luck to them in working towards doing this.
  13. What's annoying is people seizing on this sort of lazy journo stuff. Then you trying to justify it. 7,500 crowds dropped badly under Millward's failed coaching and by the end of last season Powells excellent coaching had brought the fanbase back to 7,500. Cas have indeed wiped off a lot of debt, Mr. Fulton's cheque book has regularly seen to that. If Trolling means answering a point with some well chosen realities then that is what I'm doing. What exactly are you doing as it seems you are failing to answer my points, Crowds didn't shoot up because of Gill they came back due to Powell. The Fultons are the ones who have reduced Castleford's debts. Deal with that don't troll me.
  14. Thanks for that view from the front line. It may help dispel the myth soccer is not a rival/competitor to RL. It however may not but thanks anyway.
  15. "Match day experience" was done as long ago as the 1990's through Cougarmania, and carried on to SL level through Bullmania. Eventually the Bulls realised that they put on a show for a crowd that largely turned up just to see the match. Your inventing the idea there is so much room for growth, which then enables you to hammer our clubs for not achieving this supposedly easy to set up cash cow, that brings in so many more fans. The other day Leeds Rhinos did their "Kids day" for their home Fixture and put on a great day for the parents and kids. It didn't particularly put much on the crowd but they did it anyway as they've made it a bit of a tradition, and it helps cement RL as part of the local culture with the younger generation. For years threads like this go into "magic solution" mode in which the premise of the argument is the SL clubs marketing people are just useless and they are missing the obvious. You get away with this stuff because Mr. Hetherington chooses not to come on here and tell you just why it's not a matter of copying what Ice Hockey do.