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Is there a market for a Canada or Canada/US league of some sort? There are people in Canada who have money to put into a franchise sporting team. If say a six or eight team semi-pro comp was started, is that feasible? The public got behind the WP with sizable crowds. Was the connection with a UK competition the main draw for many? Would anything like that number turn up for say BC vs Toronto? If teams were able to have a few import players to improve the quality, that would help. It would seem to come down to getting the investors to back the clubs. 

 


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11 hours ago, RayCee said:

Is there a market for a Canada or Canada/US league of some sort? There are people in Canada who have money to put into a franchise sporting team. If say a six or eight team semi-pro comp was started, is that feasible? The public got behind the WP with sizable crowds. Was the connection with a UK competition the main draw for many? Would anything like that number turn up for say BC vs Toronto? If teams were able to have a few import players to improve the quality, that would help. It would seem to come down to getting the investors to back the clubs. 

 

Critics of expansion often suggest this but expansionists dismiss it. But it is a good idea to consider. Development should always start from the bottom, funding amateur teams first. Realistically they may only reach a semi pro level but what does that matter if it reflects regional player growth and a fan base? For some reason there is an urgency for teams to be at the top. This sacrafices a lot of things like player development and in Toronto Wolfpack's case, the existence of the club itself. To maintain this level of standard Toronto Wolfpack had to spend big sums of money because they had no player development structure in place. By spending at the top, your only hope is that enough money spills over and finds its way to the bottom. Until that happened there was no way Toronto could structure in a youth team and develop local players. 

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Totally agree. The WP's route was to  make a successful club, not developing RL in Canada. They would have hoped for some trickle down benefit. Building up works better although without the profile of a big team can be hard to do.


I put this post up to see how Canadian RL fans on this forum are feeling. Are they thinking the journey is over or still wanting another way forward? My suspicion is despondency and resignation rather than hope. Can't blame them if that’s the case. RL is a great sport at building up your hope, then crushing it.

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On 10/11/2020 at 23:33, RayCee said:

Totally agree. The WP's route was to  make a successful club, not developing RL in Canada. They would have hoped for some trickle down benefit. Building up works better although without the profile of a big team can be hard to do.


I put this post up to see how Canadian RL fans on this forum are feeling. Are they thinking the journey is over or still wanting another way forward? My suspicion is despondency and resignation rather than hope. Can't blame them if that’s the case. RL is a great sport at building up your hope, then crushing it.

There is an amateur league in Canada isn't there? That suggests the foundations for future development is set already. It does not have to end with Toronto so long as the sport doesn't overreach and take the risk of leaping from amateur to pro in the hope of attracting big markets, development is still a potential.

 

As for another point you make, I don't disagree with your point about high profile clubs helping with this but there did seem to be a reliance on Toronto to expand the game. The problem here is Toronto are not obliged to and may not want to expand. As the sole club they may not want to compete with other clubs in the area and may see this as beneficial to them, it is like a monopoly. It needs more direct involvement to ensure self interest doesn't limit further growth. Federations should be working with the Canadian government to fund grassroots rugby league. The hands off approach and outsourcing to Toronto Wolfpack by the RFL suggests this was not the way expansion into Canada was approached. 

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20 hours ago, AWRL130 said:

There is an amateur league in Canada isn't there? That suggests the foundations for future development is set already. It does not have to end with Toronto so long as the sport doesn't overreach and take the risk of leaping from amateur to pro in the hope of attracting big markets, development is still a potential.

 

As for another point you make, I don't disagree with your point about high profile clubs helping with this but there did seem to be a reliance on Toronto to expand the game. The problem here is Toronto are not obliged to and may not want to expand. As the sole club they may not want to compete with other clubs in the area and may see this as beneficial to them, it is like a monopoly. It needs more direct involvement to ensure self interest doesn't limit further growth. Federations should be working with the Canadian government to fund grassroots rugby league. The hands off approach and outsourcing to Toronto Wolfpack by the RFL suggests this was not the way expansion into Canada was approached. 

On the first highlighted point above, yes there is but in a big country it is a challenge for fragmented pockets of RL being able to work with each other. That’s why I initially suggested the possibility of some sort of national league, albeit starting at a limited scale.

The second highlighted point is important and is blighting the game generally.


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2 hours ago, RayCee said:

On the first highlighted point above, yes there is but in a big country it is a challenge for fragmented pockets of RL being able to work with each other. That’s why I initially suggested the possibility of some sort of national league, albeit starting at a limited scale.

The second highlighted point is important and is blighting the game generally.

It's neccarsary to be open minded to both parties having self interests. Not just one.

Expansion clubs maintaining a monopoly is one. Super League clubs avoiding a negative impact is another. 

This would be difficult to resolve if expansion remains a professional project and if expansion incorporates new clubs into already established league's.

In the absence of a professional club, campaigning the local government for funding might help. I don't know how much was benefitted from the Canadian government (if anything) in relation to Toronto but without it expansion will be held back. The British government may fund the RFL in the UK but it would raise concerns with taxpayers if that money funded projects abroad. I'm not certain if it influenced the recent vote, but it if it were, it would be a legitimate reason for taking a hands off approach towards expansion. 

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