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#61 dallymessenger

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 11:49 AM

QUOTE (paley @ Jul 26 2010, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There was never a game called northern union - there was a governing body called The Northern Rugby Football Union - the sport played was and remains rugby football, or rugby for short. Australian rugby league folk might be keen to hand over their identity to union but that is because rugby league in australia is very weak - it shouldn't be allowed to happen in the UK.


the point you missed was the fact that the NU saw themselves as running a game of rugby union

it was the same rules initially, just a differing governing body

whatever traditions exist in english RL dont have to carry over to australia

aussies dont call it rugby,

i think the term rugby is a bit effeminate myself

league is just so masculine

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 26 2010, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the point you missed was the fact that the NU saw themselves as running a game of rugby union

it was the same rules initially, just a differing governing body

whatever traditions exist in english RL dont have to carry over to australia

aussies dont call it rugby,

i think the term rugby is a bit effeminate myself

league is just so masculine


They saw themselves as a governing body for rugby.

Aussie RL is weak, they let other sports decide what their sport can and can't be called.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:03 PM

Rugby's Rugby in Wigan - the rest of you can call it what you like!

#64 dallymessenger

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE (paley @ Jul 26 2010, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They saw themselves as a governing body for rugby.

Aussie RL is weak, they let other sports decide what their sport can and can't be called.


why should people from major metropolis' like brisbane and sydney have to copy the quaint traditions of several towns in rural northern england?

in australia is a major sport with saturation media coverage

this came about because the sport developed with significant indiginous contribution.

still its important for you guys to maintain your heritage

we dont need to parrot it.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 01:40 PM

the funniest is seeing gareth ellis interviewed and his first instinct is to say im enjoying my rugby, before he grins, and changes it too im enjoying my footy.

to us its either footy or league

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 26 2010, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why should people from major metropolis' like brisbane and sydney have to copy the quaint traditions of several towns in rural northern england?

in australia is a major sport with saturation media coverage

this came about because the sport developed with significant indiginous contribution.

still its important for you guys to maintain your heritage

we dont need to parrot it.


You don't need to parrot it at all, when other, stronger, sports have decided what they are going to be called you can pick up the leftovers. Footy is taken, by the way so you are left with "league" for now - that stands out doesn't it?
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:25 PM

UOTE (no13benny @ Jul 25 2010, 04:19 PM)
Personally I'm proud to be a Rugby LEAGUE supporter, and wouldn't want it confused with Rugby Union in any way.

QUOTE (John Drake @ Jul 26 2010, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Don't you mean "Fartown"

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 05:41 AM

QUOTE (paley @ Jul 26 2010, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't need to parrot it at all, when other, stronger, sports have decided what they are going to be called you can pick up the leftovers. Footy is taken, by the way so you are left with "league" for now - that stands out doesn't it?


footy is what we call RL in nsw and queensland

football refers to the dominant football code in your area

for 60% of australia football means RL

sadly in england when i told someone i was going to the footy they thought it meant soccer!

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:04 AM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 27 2010, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
footy is what we call RL in nsw and queensland

football refers to the dominant football code in your area

for 60% of australia football means RL

sadly in england when i told someone i was going to the footy they thought it meant soccer!


According to the Sydney Morning Herald football means soccer
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 08:06 AM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 27 2010, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
footy is what we call RL in nsw and queensland

football refers to the dominant football code in your area

for 60% of australia football means RL

sadly in england when i told someone i was going to the footy they thought it meant soccer!


I was reffing a RL schools game the other week, and I asked a kid to get the football, and they said "Football??? It's a rugby ball! You american?"

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:34 AM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 26 2010, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why should people from major metropolis' like brisbane and sydney have to copy the quaint traditions of several towns in rural northern england?

in australia is a major sport with saturation media coverage

this came about because the sport developed with significant indiginous contribution.

still its important for you guys to maintain your heritage

we dont need to parrot it.


I'm pretty sure that the Aussies would have called RL "rugby" in the early days

If they'd stuck to calling it that then perhaps the RU is Oz would have had to refer to its game as Rugby Union



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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:20 AM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 26 2010, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
to us its either footy or league


Sorry, this may have been covered elsewhere but I can't read this thread without banging my head on the desk.

What does the 'R'? In NRL stand for? Or ARL for that matter.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Jul 27 2010, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure that the Aussies would have called RL "rugby" in the early days

If they'd stuck to calling it that then perhaps the RU is Oz would have had to refer to its game as Rugby Union


Was all "rugby" until the early 1970s. Before WW2 there was just "professional rugby" and "amateur rugby".
If/when distinction was required in conversation or print, then "league" or "union" was used on its own or it was RL or RU. In the 1970s the NSWRL changed its match program from "Rugby League News" to "Big League", and the Ch7 tv coverage was called "Seven's Big League".

I must say that I side with Paley's views on this one re RL in Australia. I tried to get this issue prominence in 2003 when the R(U)WC was on here, but very few in RL here (media, fans, officials) care about it at all - they simply don't see it is a problem for the code.

Sure there's an element of impact from RU's push to be seen just as "rugby", but to be frank, most of the way the code formerly known as "rugby league" - but now known as "league" - is referred to here is entirely of our own doing.

I've written articles for major magazines and newspapers here over the past decade and NOT ONCE has an editor re-edited my work to change "rugby union" to "rugby", or "rugby league" to "league".

It's all a sad reflection of the RL community here still - after 15 years - still not come to the realisation that there are now 3 other professional football codes in NSW/QLD competing with RL.

A similar example exists with the salary cap - a tool implemented in the early 1990s when RL had no external competitors, and hopelessly inappropriate for the world RL exists in today.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE (paley @ Jul 27 2010, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
According to the Sydney Morning Herald football means soccer


soccer fans try and use it but they are a minority.

i use the term im going to the footy all the time.

or im a league fan.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Jul 27 2010, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure that the Aussies would have called RL "rugby" in the early days

If they'd stuck to calling it that then perhaps the RU is Oz would have had to refer to its game as Rugby Union


union only adopted the whole rugby thing in the 90s i think as a rebranding excercise

growing up it was always union.

then along the way it became rugby

in oz its always league or union, at least pre 1990

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:59 AM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Jul 27 2010, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, this may have been covered elsewhere but I can't read this thread without banging my head on the desk.

What does the 'R'? In NRL stand for? Or ARL for that matter.


so i can call your game super now?

silly mate.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 11:04 AM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 27 2010, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so i can call your game super now?


If you like. But only if you drink tea from a china cup at the same time.

And wear a monocle.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 11:20 AM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 27 2010, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
union only adopted the whole rugby thing in the 90s i think as a rebranding excercise

growing up it was always union.

then along the way it became rugby

in oz its always league or union, at least pre 1990


Good for union and how accomodating of rugby league to deny its own history in order to suck up to union. I am surprised the ARU didn't call the ARC the NRL
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 11:20 AM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Jul 27 2010, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you like. But only if you drink tea from a china cup at the same time.

And wear a monocle.


good to hear from you again

you and your mob were always entertaining

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 11:22 AM

QUOTE (paley @ Jul 27 2010, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good for union and how accomodating of rugby league to deny its own history in order to suck up to union. I am surprised the ARU didn't call the ARC the NRL


this isnt an issue in australia

union is a minor sport, we dont care what they call themselves

what this comes to is, you want australia to call it rugby to help the sports recognition in england

havent we helped enough?




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