Simon Hall

I'll agree to disagree with you Gary about the way the whole meeting was run, also pretty sure that the new directors have had meetings with the council way before the meeting you 'set up' last week and that JG could not attend the meeting for the reason I have previously put on here (protocol agreement)

Should be some good news announced today apparently. Well that's what one of the new "directors" said when he tried to get KISS to cancel last weeks meeting anyway. Hope it's something exciting!

JM Packaging will be hoping to not need putting anything in once the move goes through. The only reason they have invested £1.8m is that they should get most of it back once the sale of BC goes through. York City (and to some extent the Knights too should the takeover be successful) will need to live within its own means. JG has publicly stated that it has never made a loss so should be achievable (though by the sounds of it the club has been propped up by "share issues" and buying bricks with your name on them to bring about this position!)

The club will be able to repair its reputation under new ownership, which obviously means more support, more sponsorship, more players prepared to play for us, more clubs willing to offer support. JM Packaging will offer the resources necessary to do this, be it cash, business contacts or contact in the higher end of the sport. Frightening that people can't see the benefits yet continue to creep up the rear of a despotic owner who has totally ruined any goodwill the club had, if people like me and the members of KISS have had enough, what do the casual RL supporters think? Do people really see a positive future with him and his mates at the helm? Really? If you do, come on and tell me the positives they bring.

That's the point Constantine, you'd think J.M. Packaging would need every bit of spare cash to try and improve City's team. Let's face it, every penny spent on the Knights would be a penny less for York City. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a change but don't want us going from the frying pan into the fire due to our enthusiasm for getting out of the frying pan and not stopping to examine any potential pitfalls.

JM Packaging can only spend a certain amount without breaking football's version of the salary cap, the manager has been told there's money available should he need it. If (when, please if there is a God, when!) JM packaging also own York City Knights, any turnover by the rugby club will count as turnover of the football club and visa versa, meaning more salary cap space (and whatever it is football has) for both teams. We'd be able to spend up to the full salary cap amount straight away, which will be a first.

Thanks for your comments on my ramblings, RL in York means a lot to me and my family and we only want the sport to flourish like we know it should.

The current situation with my club has really upset me, it's only a game but to some it's a lot more, so I've written a little article, and seeing as this forum is independent of the club I'll leave it here for those who don't read the KISS Facebook page. Have a read if you like, if you want to give me any grief for it then fire away as I'm past caring:

Does everyone remember those heady days of 2003, 2004 & 2005, big crowds, top players, everyone in York had a Knights sticker in their car, the M62 used to be a sea of blue Knights’ flags on a Sunday afternoon on the way to away games. I even once saw two little lads having a tiff while playing rugby outside the shops over who was going to be Danny Brough and who was to be Lee Jackson. Great days and easily the fondest of my 30 years supporting York RL, I really miss them.

Great days indeed, that is until Mr. Guildford “took over” completely in 2006 and we ended up with a ramshackle team and staff put together on a shoestring, including those famous non signings Tere Glassie, Matty Turner & Dana Wilson (RIP), which ultimately undid all the hard work from earlier seasons and ended up with relegation and 10 years of ridiculousness followed. Crowds and goodwill in the city have plummeted to an all time low, despite one or two highs. Why is that? Countless quality coaches & players have come and gone, numerous sponsors & fans have been forced to do something better with their money. Only one constant in all that time.

Some people seem to have it in their heads that without Mr. Guildford we have no club and no pro-RL. Who sold them that idea? It simply couldn't be further from the truth and is an idea perpetuated by someone with plenty to lose personally by no longer having control of the club and its finances. Yesterday’s announcement from JM Packaging is the lifeline all us true Knights fans have been hoping for for years and I embrace it wholeheartedly, as do many, many others.

The only barrier York City Knights have in the quest for a successful professional club in the city is that the person who makes ALL the decisions has upset, offended, accused, abused and lied to countless well meaning others in his crusade to be the big man in charge. From players, coaches, sponsors, directors & staff, city councillors, council officers, supporters of the Knights, donors, supporters & directors of other clubs & sports, even the police & waiters in a curry house have been on the end of this man’s vitriol. It’s all there in black and white for anyone to see in The Press, many fans forums & social media. Except, obviously, those infamous deleted tweets in which he abused directors of a rival Championship 1 club, not that in deleting them he had anything to hide of course.

It’s getting increasingly difficult to find anyone with a good word to say about Mr Guildford. That is except for his family and ever decreasing circle of tag alongs, who take any questioning of their “leader” as a cue to attack, accuse and throw totally unfounded allegations around, like some brainwashed cult followers, it’s nothing short of embarrassing.

A lot of this has left me, a York RL supporter of 30 years, thinking “What is the point”. If I’m thinking this, what are those who now head off to Castleford, Leeds or Wakefield on a Sunday feeling about Rugby League in York? This farce damages the game that underpins a successful community based professional club, my son plays for New Earswick under 8’s and the vast majority of kids there are training in Rhinos, Castleford & Hull kits, only one in a Knights jersey - my son, why should that be the case?

Most Rugby League loving folk have simply upped sticks and gone to watch other clubs. I really don't want to do that so the sooner people realise York City Knights cannot continue like this and has absolutely no way of prospering at Bootham Crescent and the new Community Stadium while the current owner is at the club, the sooner we can get back to those heady days of 2003-2005.

‪#‎GuildfordOut‬

Simon we don't always see eye to eye on a lot of things, but I totally agree with you on this, this would have been my 61st season watching York R.L.F.C but I'm just fed up of the farce that is J.G. I don't know if I'll bother again while he is in charge,I know a few others that are thinking the same. R.I.P. York City Knights.

It'd be boring going to matches if everyone saw eye to eye John, that's one of the best things about watching Rugby League. Hopefully the good will out and we'll be back to falling out over players soon

The current situation with my club has really upset me, it's only a game but to some it's a lot more, so I've written a little article, and seeing as this forum is independent of the club I'll leave it here for those who don't read the KISS Facebook page. Have a read if you like, if you want to give me any grief for it then fire away as I'm past caring:

Does everyone remember those heady days of 2003, 2004 & 2005, big crowds, top players, everyone in York had a Knights sticker in their car, the M62 used to be a sea of blue Knights’ flags on a Sunday afternoon on the way to away games. I even once saw two little lads having a tiff while playing rugby outside the shops over who was going to be Danny Brough and who was to be Lee Jackson. Great days and easily the fondest of my 30 years supporting York RL, I really miss them.

Great days indeed, that is until Mr. Guildford “took over” completely in 2006 and we ended up with a ramshackle team and staff put together on a shoestring, including those famous non signings Tere Glassie, Matty Turner & Dana Wilson (RIP), which ultimately undid all the hard work from earlier seasons and ended up with relegation and 10 years of ridiculousness followed. Crowds and goodwill in the city have plummeted to an all time low, despite one or two highs. Why is that? Countless quality coaches & players have come and gone, numerous sponsors & fans have been forced to do something better with their money. Only one constant in all that time.

Some people seem to have it in their heads that without Mr. Guildford we have no club and no pro-RL. Who sold them that idea? It simply couldn't be further from the truth and is an idea perpetuated by someone with plenty to lose personally by no longer having control of the club and its finances. Yesterday’s announcement from JM Packaging is the lifeline all us true Knights fans have been hoping for for years and I embrace it wholeheartedly, as do many, many others.

The only barrier York City Knights have in the quest for a successful professional club in the city is that the person who makes ALL the decisions has upset, offended, accused, abused and lied to countless well meaning others in his crusade to be the big man in charge. From players, coaches, sponsors, directors & staff, city councillors, council officers, supporters of the Knights, donors, supporters & directors of other clubs & sports, even the police & waiters in a curry house have been on the end of this man’s vitriol. It’s all there in black and white for anyone to see in The Press, many fans forums & social media. Except, obviously, those infamous deleted tweets in which he abused directors of a rival Championship 1 club, not that in deleting them he had anything to hide of course.

It’s getting increasingly difficult to find anyone with a good word to say about Mr Guildford. That is except for his family and ever decreasing circle of tag alongs, who take any questioning of their “leader” as a cue to attack, accuse and throw totally unfounded allegations around, like some brainwashed cult followers, it’s nothing short of embarrassing.

A lot of this has left me, a York RL supporter of 30 years, thinking “What is the point”. If I’m thinking this, what are those who now head off to Castleford, Leeds or Wakefield on a Sunday feeling about Rugby League in York? This farce damages the game that underpins a successful community based professional club, my son plays for New Earswick under 8’s and the vast majority of kids there are training in Rhinos, Castleford & Hull kits, only one in a Knights jersey - my son, why should that be the case?

Most Rugby League loving folk have simply upped sticks and gone to watch other clubs. I really don't want to do that so the sooner people realise York City Knights cannot continue like this and has absolutely no way of prospering at Bootham Crescent and the new Community Stadium while the current owner is at the club, the sooner we can get back to those heady days of 2003-2005.

‪#‎GuildfordOut‬

I'd settle for JG being out on his ear, but maybe I'm asking too much.

Careful what you wish for Simon, if it happened, would be worried about been the poor relation of the family, also been told many times by City fans than he wanted out as soon the new stadium set up was sorted

I've been told very different from people who know a lot more about the situation.

We've got a great chance here to be the club all us fans know we can be, no more scraping the bottom league, decent relationships with fans, players & businesses. Proper money to strengthen the team, Super League standard facilities, support and respect from other clubs. A proper professional Rugby League club, in York. Sounds great to me.

Or we could carry on with the tripe we've had since 2005.

Now we're getting there - Press today - City Owners launch bid for Knights - after been approached by KISS !!
So no conspiracy theory there then....

But JG is the club Peter, he's already said in The Press "but as soon as I step down, the club will have no office and they will have nothing"

http://www.yorkpress...says_Guildford/

Personally, I'd class the lack of playing & training facilities as a far bigger problem for a Rugby League club, but maybe I'm just being negative?

Good luck to all at Hunslet this season, great to see a club run the way it is gain promotion and have the ambition to compete amongst the big boys. Hope we can join you one day!

Have a word with him and see if he fancies another club will you?

Aye - and just how much money has the match day bar & local pubs lost out on...

...and the company who prints the programmes.

Company information - http://www.bizdb.co....mited-04500503/

 

Share issue opportunity - http://www.loverugby...initiative.html

Did anyone buy those "shares"? Did those "shares" actually get anyone any shares in York City Knights Ltd? 1000 shares at £240, how much of the business was up for sale? if it was 100% that values it at £240,000, if only 49% (JG retaining 51% majority) that values it at £490k. Who valued it at that? Also it was a repeat yearly payment of £240 per share, if you look at it over 5 years that's a value of about £2.5m for the fans to have a 49% share. Biggest load of ###### I've ever seen was that.

Him and Grimmer at half back and Jack Lee at no 9, what a mouthwatering prospect, eh lads