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Martyn Sadler

Member Since 23 Aug 2004
Online Last Active Today, 01:54 PM

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In Topic: UKIPpery

Today, 01:23 PM

My parents are/were anti-gay who thought Enoch Powell talked a lot of sense. I certainly haven't inherited those views although I probably held them briefly as a child when you haven't had a chance to see other options and viewpoints - I am a socialist but I don't intrinsically despise rich people, Tories or indeed people who hold what I consider bigoted views. I prefer to engage in a debate where I try to persuade them that a more humanist and tolerant view of people's situation and lifestyle choice is better for everyone.

If being tolerant of people's choice of religion, sexuality or skin colour is currently fashionable then thank God (or perhaps not, if you are agnostic or atheist) for that.


The thing that drew my comment was the word "enlightened", which we usually associate with being more tolerant, as you imply, and perhaps more tolerant than our parents were.


On the other hand, some prejudices seem to be more acceptable, including, among other things, prejudices against organised religion, or against people who hold certain opinions that don't coincide with the majority.


I've always thought that there are some people who love to hate, but are able to pick their targets so that their hatred won't lead to them being ostracised.

In Topic: UKIPpery

Today, 01:18 PM

being 'enlightened' is a value judgement. What makes you 'enlightened' is the fact that you think you are. One person's enlightenment is another's dark ages.


Phillip Larkin was a poet, not a philosopher or an anthropologist, or a social psychologist. His poems are works of art not of science. Your parents let their ideas wash over you, you either soak them up, let them flow away, or store them for further use, whilst at the same time figuring your own out. It's an experience, growing up, learning kind of thing.


All of us have prejudices, not most of us. because they aren't rational we don't see them for what they are. They taint our thoughts and the way we see things. Our prejudices become a problem when they affect the way we treat people, affect the way we view them as fellow human beings, and affect our decision making over major issues. 

That is one of your more enlightened posts on this forum.

In Topic: UKIPpery

Today, 01:07 PM

I've had to cancel tonight's gig, in order that I can devote sufficient time to understand what on earth you're talking about.

I'm sure your audience has a lot to thank me for.


In Topic: UKIPpery

Today, 01:05 PM

Are you naturally gifted in pomposity Martyn or do you practise a lot?

You should know by now that it's a natural gift.

In Topic: UKIPpery

Today, 12:21 PM

Lenny Henry's parents were Jamaican and he would have grown up with both his Dudley accent and the Jamaican one. I think observational comedy about the cultural differences from someone who embraces both is perfectly acceptable, and to mimic his mother's accent whilst doing it is also OK. Some of the material he used in the 1970s, and the shows he appeared on, to get onto the showbiz ladder was unacceptable and he has since apologised for that. When times changes and society become more enlightened we can forgive these things, but if people carry on as if nothing has changed and continue with their unreconstructed views then they have to accept a backlash.

Being "enlightened" normally means that your prejudices are different from those of your parents.


Otherwise, to adapt Philip Larkin, "They fill you with the prejudices they had, and add some extra just for you."


Most of us have prejudices, but the "enlightened" ones among us are able to ensure that our prejudices are those that happen to be fashionable at any particular point in time.