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Martyn Sadler

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In Topic: Another day another mass shooting in the US

Today, 10:01 AM

fell out quite badly with an American friend over this :-(


They really don't get it, they really think they're surrounded by barbarians about to swoop down on their houses and pillage them.


In my experience they think they're surrounded by criminals who are armed.


And they are probably right.


They want to be able to deter them on a level playing field.


In that sense it's a perfectly logical stance, and it's one of the reasons I would never want to live in the United States.

In Topic: Another day another mass shooting in the US

02 October 2015 - 01:00 PM

So apart from some linguistic pedantry over what is or isn't a "basket case" we're all pretty much agreed, a TRL first!!!!



Someone did mention Switzerland, every male swiss citizen between the ages of 18 and 50 (or 55) must own a fully functioning semi automatic assault rifle, and yet the swiss seem to be remarkable for their resistant to mass shootings (although there was one last year I believe) so the question is, why are the americans so inclined to slaughter each other when the swiss and, say, the Canadians aren't? Given the swiss example access to weaponry is not the sole answer


I suspect that there are two broad issues with guns in America.


On the one hand, American gangs have always operated with guns and have not been afraid to use them on each other, particularly when gangs from different ethnic groups have been at war with each other over territory.


On the other hand, there seems to be a more recent phenomenon where the idea of committing mass murder appeals to a particular mindset of young men whose lives otherwise appear to be unfulfilled. The fame they achieve by doing that seems to be worth it for them, even though they must know they will probably be gunned down themselves.


The pilot who crashed a plane into the Alps was probably another example of this mindset.


How they can be identified beforehand and prevented from doing this is the key question.


Gun control may be a laudable aim, but I'm not sure, with so many guns already in circulation, that it will have any impact in cutting down the number of these tragedies.

In Topic: Another day another mass shooting in the US

02 October 2015 - 12:01 PM

Eight dead, 45 injured in Chicago shootings over a recent weekend.


Chicago probably has the strictest gun control laws in the USA.


The trouble is that the guns are already out there.


Gun control laws are shutting the door after the horse has bolted.

In Topic: Piggate

01 October 2015 - 10:27 AM

They you obviously don't go on social media Martyn.


I do, but maybe I mix with the wrong types.


It's unwise, however, to think that social media is an accurate indication of what the wider world thinks.


Everyone, perhaps even you, will get bored by the pig story eventually.

In Topic: Piggate

01 October 2015 - 10:14 AM

He's just being pig headed.

And if you, or Cameron, think this is EVER going to go away then you are seriously mistaken.


It obviously won't go away for you, but I suspect most other people have already moved on from it.