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Martyn Sadler

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#3204314 Jeremy Corbyn & the Labour Party

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 01 October 2015 - 10:00 AM

They are not only in good company, they got there before the others who took credit. People like Corbyn and McDonnell started the talking that paved the way for Major, Blair, Mowlam etc. The set the foundations of the NI peace process.  Eventually, people will come to realise that talking is the only way to solve problems in Palestine and the wider Middle East too because it's fairly evident that armed conflict isn't getting anyone anywhere.






That really is delusional.


If they had been talking to both sides in those disputes your theory might have some legs.


The truth is they were taking sides, showing sympathy to terrorists, and by doing so were putting lives in danger but without having to suffer any of the consequences themselves.


That is very different to what politicians or even the Queen was doing.

#3200251 Jeremy Corbyn & the Labour Party

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 25 September 2015 - 03:28 PM


“Corbyn and McDonnell became intimately involved with the representatives of very violent people.”

And were denounced as such by Nigel Dodds - who attended the wake for John Bingham of the UVF.



I would be surprised if many politicians in Northern Ireland had very clean hands in relation to the troubles.


But they were there living in the thick of it, reacting to some terrible events, while Corbyn and McDonnell weren't, and had far fewer excuses for their behaviour.

#3200233 Jeremy Corbyn & the Labour Party

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 25 September 2015 - 02:44 PM

A damning indictment of Corbyn's and McDonnell's position in relation to terrorism.

#3194347 Labour leadership contest

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 16 September 2015 - 02:27 PM

Prime Minister's Questions was very interesting today.


Corbyn declared he wanted a new style of PMQs, and asked questions that had been emailed to him by various people from around the country, mentioning the name of the person whose question he was asking.


I actually thought it was quite effective.


And it made Cameron behave much better than normal, moving away from the bullying style that he often used to adopt with Miliband.


It made both party leaders seem almost human.

#3193917 Luke Gale wins Albert Goldthorpe Medal

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 15 September 2015 - 03:27 PM

The criticism is that it does just seem to roll out half-backs who seem to be reasonably consistent and injury free and mostly kick goals - apologies it was only a passing comment. Over the last few years you would have expected Jamie Peacock, James Roby, Chris Hill, Zeb Taia et al to be knocking on the door if it was a true reflection of consistency across the park.


There is a very interesting contrast between the AG Medal and the Man of Steel.


In my view the former rewards great all-round skills and the latter recognises great qualities.


For example, the players you mention all have great qualities of toughness, courage, hard work and so on, but they lack the all-round skills of players like Luke Gale and Danny Brough, not least (with the possible exception of Roby) because Gale and Brough have great kicking skills.


That is the real reason why halfbacks win the AG Medal, because they are able to demonstrate a wider range of skills than the vast majority of players who play in the forwards or the threequarters, for example.


The Man of Steel award, however, isn't based on a week-by-week assessment, but on one assessment at the end of the regular season.


Therefore it is much easier for whoever makes the call for the Man of Steel to recognise the qualities that those players possess.


I would be quite happy to see any of the players you mention win the Man of Steel award, although the player I would go for personally this year would be Andy Lynch, who has been magnificent and is seriously under-rated, but possesses all the qualities that make a great Rugby League forward.

#3190551 I quite like that Stuart Maconie chap

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 10 September 2015 - 11:59 AM

As I stated earlier he managed to write Pies and Prejudice (think it was that one) without mentioning rugby league but prattled on endlessly about Wigan Athletic.


I also read that book and found it very disappointing for the same reason.


Similarly, The Road to Wigan Pier by Orwell managed not to mention Rugby League either.


It lost a lot of its credibility with me because of that omission.

#3186543 European Refugee Crisis

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 03 September 2015 - 10:42 AM

They are only being caught in cross fires, being bombarded, car bombs, snipers, being persecuted for being the wrong type of muslim or Christian, chemical weapons, beheadings, etc, etc, etc, etc.


Those things are certainly happening, but are those people the ones who are occupying the boats?


The people smugglers are charging exorbitant amounts to make the trip across the Med, running to several thousand pounds for each individual, so the people who are in the boats must have access to funds to finance their trip.


That isn't to underestimate their desperation to escape or the dangers they face.

#3186323 European Refugee Crisis

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 02 September 2015 - 11:23 PM

I had to go digging for this as it was in my mind but I couldn't place it.
In 1938, the Évian Conference was held in France to discuss the plight of German Jews.  In short, 32 of the world's leading nations all were publicly concerned about the plight of the Jews in Germany and Austria but none were willing to help beyond their "quota".  Britain especially refused to increase its quota because we had not enough jobs.  That was fixed the next year though.
Same in Rwanda.  Evidence was given to every country in the UN that a genocide was about to happen, what did we do?  Nothing beyond wring our hands and say "sorry, not our problem".
Same moral cowardice, same end result.

On that basis the only moral thing to do is to throw open our borders to the population of Syria, Libya, South Sudan, Afghanistan and all the other failed states around the world whose population would like to move to Europe and/or the United Kingdom to escape the conditions in their own countries.

We should arrange their transport here, avoiding the need for them to make hazardous crossings of the Mediterranean that lead to outcomes like the terrible photograph of the little boy that has been posted on this thread.

We can then all feel morally superior, and we can have contempt for those countries that don't follow our example.

The problem is that for all the moral posing that some people like to do, there doesn't seem to be a solution in sight.

The one thing we know is that relaxing the entry conditions will lead to an increase in the number of people who are prepared to risk their lives to come to Europe, making more tragedies such as the one highlighted here inevitable.

It may make some of us feel better about ourselves, but it will ensure that in the long term more people suffer terrible deaths.

And that seems to me to be an immoral stance.

The difference, incidentally, compared to 1938 is that we knew then that Jews were being victimised because they were Jewish, and they were facing obliteration unless they could get out of Germany.

The people trying to reach Europe now are not, as far as we are aware, facing ethnic cleansing in their own countries.

#3185892 Labour leadership contest

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 02 September 2015 - 10:39 AM

You want it both ways Craig. They are either criminal terrorists or they are combatants engaged in warfare. If it's war then fine follow the rules of warfare but if they are criminals ensure due process, fair trials and justice. Summary execution is what they do, not us.


Bin Laden was a terrorist leading a group that had declared war on the west.


He was hardly a conventional criminal and in accordance with your definition he was a combatant rather than a criminal.


His killing was entirely justified.


There are lots of deaths in the world that are indeed tragedies, to use Corbyn's own expression, but to pick out Bin Laden's death as opposed to many others as a tragedy seems perverse in the extreme.

#3183199 Labour leadership contest

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 27 August 2015 - 11:39 AM

Frankie Boyle's take on the leadership election.


"Every photo of the candidates looks like the staff room of a failing comprehensive feigning amusement at being photobombed by the janitor."


A classic!

#3179138 Labour leadership contest

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 19 August 2015 - 03:40 PM

Policy will not be decided by dictate but by open discussion, debate and open democracy.



So if, with this new form of democracy, the electorate votes to bring back hanging, I assume Corbyn will bring it back.

#3172198 Labour leadership contest

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 07 August 2015 - 08:58 AM

Absolutely, therefore there are no votes to 'get back' and that's why Labour should not focus on switching the 24% of the electorate who voted Tory but the 76% who didn't - those red and grey columns under Lib Dem and UKIP together with engaging those who didn't vote.


You're assuming that the Labour party will find it easier to persuade LD and UKIP voters to vote Labour next time than Tory voters.


You may be right, but it's a big assumption.


You're also assuming that the non-voters, if they can be persuaded to vote, are most likely to vote Labour.


But non-voters, it seems to me, may not vote because they are broadly happy with the status quo. So if they did vote they may be more likely to vote for the status quo, which wouldn't be for the opposition.

#3171968 Labour leadership contest

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 06 August 2015 - 03:52 PM


One of the misleading things about polls in this context is that people may support policies individually, policy by policy, but when they are faced with all of them taken together in a single manifesto, they spot the fact that the cost is going to be beyond what they think they can afford.


So they vote for the party that promises not to take us into more debt, even if that party subsequently does so.

#3150460 Not bad work if you can get it!

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 01 July 2015 - 09:22 AM

How to make politics pay!

#3141689 Magna Carta

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 16 June 2015 - 05:24 PM

###### all to do with us anyway.

You must be joking!


Let's look at clauses 38, 39 and 40 of Magna Carta.



(38) In future no official shall place a man on trial upon his own unsupported statement, without producing credible witnesses to the truth of it.

(39) No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.

(40) To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice.

Clause 38 makes it clear that you can't be accused of anything without evidence to support the accusation, and Clause 39 makes it clear that you will be judged by your peers, while Clause 40 says that you can't be denied justice.


And yet the crazy thing is that the government has signed up to the European Arrest Warrant, which directly overrides clause 38.


Any member state of the EU may now demand, without any evidence, that our government arrest a UK citizen and hand him over to await possible trial for a crime he is suspected of having committed.


The key thing is that no evidence is required to be provided with the request for extradition.


So if an EU government decides that it wants to accuse Methven Hornet, JohnM, CKN or any other member of this forum of having committed a crime in its country it merely needs to request their extradition and they will be whisked off to face trial and possible financial ruin.


It may seem far fetched, but it has already happened to a significant number of British citizens. 


If you want to know more, google the case of Keith Hainsworth, a 64-year-old tutor in Ancient Greek who was returning from a weekend in Paris when he was handed over by British Customs in Calais to the French police, on the basis of a European Arrest Warrant issued by Greece. His story is a horrifying one.


The fact that the government has overridden the provisions of Magna Carta in agreeing to this state of affairs should worry all of us.