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Member Since 14 Apr 2004
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In Topic: The Million Pound Game

Yesterday, 11:31 PM

The $h!t or Bust none Final




The Bust and Bust Quicker not quite a Final.


In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate thread

Yesterday, 07:55 PM

Yes, I'm sure... I am absolutely sure about that. Really really sure.


Hull FC home attendances 2014

v Catalans 10,178

v Bradford 11,307

v Widnes 10,286

v Salford 9,821

v Huddersfield 9,515

v London 9,538

v Wakefield 10,088

v Wigan 10,539

v Warrington 12,328

v Castleford 9,959

v Salford (Challenge Cup) 5,963


Total 109,522 / 11 fixtures = Avg: 9,957



Warrington home attendances 2014

v St Helens 13,157

v Hull 10,276

v Wigan 11,550

v Hull KR 8,778

v Widnes 10,500

v Catalans 8,816

v Leeds 10,312

v Salford 10,120

v Bradford 9,003

v London 9,381

v Wakefield 9,252

v Doncaster (Challenge Cup) 3,002


Total 114,147 / 12 = Avg: 9,512


The norm for quoting a teams average is to include only league games. Cup games skew the figures. All year books use this standard.


if you use the standard measure then both teams are above 10k

In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate thread

Yesterday, 05:31 PM

I think it's incredibly naive to think that Castleford only draw fans from Castleford, so to use the 40k population as its catchment area is pointless. They draw from neighbouring towns and cities also.

The catchment area of a club has more to do with the population in the radius around it. People will travel to see a good club that represents there values in some way (not everyone supports a in based on the fact it's named after their town).


Isn't that what I said, they are also though competing with Leeds, Wakefield and Featherstone for those customers.

In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate thread

Yesterday, 08:09 AM

In 66 AD Caius Petronius wrote -

'We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganised. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation'

Sums up the situation very nicely, as this thread demonstrates.


One of my favourite quotes

In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate thread

Yesterday, 07:46 AM

The evidence for what I say is there, it always has been.


Stop trying to change the argument. I have never said a big area means you get big crowds, I said a small area means you will always struggle to get big crowds. That is totally different to what you are trying to change the discussion to.


The top supported clubs are all in the highest populated areas, Wigan's Urban District population was around 170,000 at the last census, That's not the Borough that's the town and that is over half the population of the Metropolitan District of Wakefield. Wakefield is the largest Settlement in the Metropolitan District with around 77,000 which is less than half the population of Wigan.


The numbers don't stack up, they never have.