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#2985736 The "rugby match" painting from 1893

Posted by Padge on Today, 12:14 AM

The game we play and others play is football.


Until someone tried to unify the rules there were many versions, depending usually on the school where the game was played.


Hacking was the big problem, that basically was the reason for the creation of The Football Association (Simplified any arguments another thread), that left the ball handlers and hackers as another group.


Some of the ball handlers then decided that they didn't want hacking and formed the RFU, leaving the hackers in the minority. 


Eventually the hackers fell in line with the non-hackers and you had two codes, Association (known quite early as soccer) and Union versions of football,


Football was the origin, played at all schools under different rules, including Rugby.


When the Association was born the differentiation was did you use the rules of Rugby School or the new Association of Football Clubs,


All none Association Clubs by default became Rugby Football Clubs,


The Rugby Football clubs where still playing under local school rules though, until the formation of the RFU, then all hell let loose a few years later.





#2985349 The "rugby match" painting from 1893

Posted by Padge on Yesterday, 08:49 AM

Nothing changed though for a few years. It was nothing to do with fiddling with the rules.

Do you ever check anything.


Within a week of the first games of the NU proposals were on the table for 13 a side the abolition of line outs and playing with a round ball. These were trialed but not taken up immediately, The round ball was abandoned completely but the other two went to further trials and eventual were accepted .


On the 9th of December 1895 (weeks not years after the first games of the NU) the first rule changes were introduced, a deliberate knock-on was to be a penalty, a law that still stands. Two scrum changes were brought in at the same time, the ref had to stand on the side of the scrum from which the ball was fed to see what was going on, and a change that opened the game up immensely, when a scrum was formed the defending half-back had to retire to behind the last defending forward in the scrum's feet.


From then on the rules continually evolved to open the game up and make it entertaining.

#2979169 17/08/14 - London Broncos v Leeds Rhinos KO 3pm

Posted by Padge on 17 August 2014 - 07:49 PM

This one simple fact will annoy people even more than London winning, Phil Clarke was right.


Congratulations London. Your contribution to the talent pool of RL players is vital to the game.

#2979134 York - The Games Sleeping Giant?

Posted by Padge on 17 August 2014 - 07:19 PM

You are the one throwing the demographic spanner into the works so it's the onus is on you to explain what you mean. 


Go away, study the demographics, populations, transport links, etc. etc. and get back to me with your conclusions.


I'll respond to you on this when YOU have done some research to back up your ridiculous claims.


Back up some of the stupid claims you make with some facts for once.


I'll make a point of not holding my breath. 

#2979082 York - The Games Sleeping Giant?

Posted by Padge on 17 August 2014 - 06:46 PM

 Yada Yada Yada but it's just your considered opinion not backed up by much. Wrong place, what a decent sized city with some history in the game and on the edge of the heartlands. really, sounds perfect to me.


Demographics, what do you mean by that ? If you mean it's not working class enough then I thought the game was looking to expand it's demographic base. If you mean there are too many students, I thought the game was making serious headway in the groves of academia. Do you mean too many women, too many gays, too many blacks? Exactly what do you mean by the vague assertion that the demographics arn't right ?



"Not backed up by much" is far better than your backed up by absolutely nothing at all.


I suggest you do as I have done as far as the demographics go, do some research. I am not your researcher.

#2978559 York - The Games Sleeping Giant?

Posted by Padge on 16 August 2014 - 11:00 PM

 Do you think St Helens Recs will make a come back?


They don't need to make a come back, we are all being dragged towards them.

#2978084 York - The Games Sleeping Giant?

Posted by Padge on 15 August 2014 - 09:17 PM

Swinton were absolutely not a giant. Though they had periods of great success ( I was there) they lived very much a hand to mouth existence for many many years. Although station road saw some big crowds for semis and internationals, club attendances were never of giant proportions. The club had always been on the edge of the "heartlands" and once the road infrastructure in the area had been improved, so it w as so much easier for people to attend competing attractions.


Will you stop bringing actual personal knowledge into it. Why can't you fantasize about how great Swinton were when you watched them and how every game had people hanging from the rafters and climbing on the roof to watch this giant of a side.


Go and sit in the naughty corner, realism is not nice, you upset the fantasists.

#2978065 York - The Games Sleeping Giant?

Posted by Padge on 15 August 2014 - 08:53 PM

There is a joint stadium in the works for them and York City. I think the projected capacity is around 8,000. This is way bigger than the Hive but this was deemed big enough


8k isn't enough, and it isn't enough for London either. If the backward thinkers currently running the RFL weren't in charge London would have been blocked from going to a stupidly sized stadium.


The way we are going all we will need is a bit of a rail around the edge of the pitch, that'll do your in, meets the standards, welcome to Super League St. Pats.

#2977437 Why the empty seats?

Posted by Padge on 14 August 2014 - 09:50 PM

Is that he game won on a drop goal 11 to 10 or something similar ? It's lie Keighley losing 5 to 4 to Saints. A win for either team could have altered the whole history of the clubs in a positive way. It's a shame neither won.

It shows you the drawing power the cup had though when you could get 49,000 with one team from a 30,000 town in far away Cumbria.


It was the 10-9 game, would it have changed the clubs' history's in the same way that a cup win changed Sheffield's history.

#2976624 Why the empty seats?

Posted by Padge on 13 August 2014 - 04:31 PM

I believe that the SuperBowl "tender, bid, host" format would work well and help build a fantastic legacy for the match.


I understand where you're coming from, but again I think you're getting too bogged down in figures.


Nobody could really contest the idea that the SuperBowl is the biggest club sporting event in the world, yet between 2010 and 2011 a change of venue resulted in a drop in attendance of around 35k. To the wider, watching public and media this was irrelevant, and there were no accusations of the NFL "shrinking" the event.


I don't think we should be afraid of trying new things due to the risk of ridicule. We never have been up to now.


The NFL are dealing with a poodle press, we most certainly are not, in fact large sections of the press are downright hostile.

#2976422 Why the empty seats?

Posted by Padge on 13 August 2014 - 12:09 PM

You know, you can just say you disagree!

I think we're making an assumption that the Grand Final sells out every year - it doesn't. And it doesn't get the media coverage it should.

I think that's partly down to the fact we're trying to sell the media the same thing in the same setting that they weren't that interested in the previous year.

You're pinning me down on the capacity issue, which I don't think is a killer.

Any financial cost would be at least partly offset by investment in the event by the winning bidder (host stadium / council)

Superbowl attendances fluctuate depending on the venue year on year, but the success of the event is never judged in this way. The actual figure is largely irrelevant, in fact. I think it's more about the "you can't get a ticket for love nor money" factor, which I don't think you'd lose by playing at a smaller ground.

Unfortunately, it's a while since we've said that for a grand final, and I think over the years that's damaged the wider perception of it.

If you don't agree about applying this idea to the grand final then how about the challenge cup semi finals?


The last 13 Grand Finals all had attendances of over 60k, 10 of those were over 65k and of those 10 four were over 70k


Moving the Grand to Final to a smaller stadium is about the daftest idea I have come across in a long while.


Moving the Grand Final to Milto Keynes, or wherever, will do nothing to interest the media except those that want to ridicule the game. Enter list of usual suspects below.





Shrinking the sport's marquee event isn't ambitious its down right foolhardy.

#2975081 RFL - The New Era

Posted by Padge on 10 August 2014 - 11:13 PM

Some are auditory learners. Telling them what happens will be enough.

Some are visual learners. Showing them what happens will help.

Some are kinaesthetic learners. Taking part (as a supporter) in what happens will help.

I think the majority will get it as it unfolds and they're on the ride. It's not really complicated at all.


With an engineering and computing background I am used to following complicated diagrams, they are actually the easiest way to explain complicated concepts.


When a supposed simple concept needs a complicated diagram you have a serious problem with the concept,


A simple game should be simple to explain and shouldn't need 'ven diagrams'.

#2975061 The Photography Thread

Posted by Padge on 10 August 2014 - 10:33 PM

Just had a short break in Brugges, after flying in to Brussels airport and expecting the usual dull trudge down the long boring hall to arrivals we were met by this poignant scene.


We arrived on the 4th of August 2014 - 100 years later.



#2975040 10/08/14 - CCSF2 - Castleford Tigers v Widnes Vikings KO 3pm

Posted by Padge on 10 August 2014 - 09:47 PM

We could also mention the Brigantes, but won't. The Widnes Club need to sort this out immediately and the way things are going it won't be too hard as some of these idiots are identifying themselves all over Social Media.


The Brigantes were weeded out and a lot banned and others made to clean up their act, I will not attempt to defend them in any way, even the hangers on who thought it was a bit of fun.


Idiots are idiots at all clubs and that includes Wigan. I will equally condemn stupidity at my club. However this isn't about that but a nice attempt at distraction.

#2974967 10/08/14 - CCSF2 - Castleford Tigers v Widnes Vikings KO 3pm

Posted by Padge on 10 August 2014 - 08:07 PM


My first post ...


Congratulations to Cas' ... great result for a great TEAM effort ... well done!


Now ... to business .... the young man from Widnes who ruined the post match interviews.





Mr Martin Potter. He has popped up on Facebook (a friend of a friend) and is seemingly treating the whole affair as a big joke.  When it was pointed out to him that he should be banned for his behaviour he states that he seems to think that that won't happen.


Below is the conversation....


Martin Potter
TXXXXXX FXXXXXX Was being a knob
AXXXXX TXXXXXX Giving the sport a cracking image...... Co©k.
Martin Potter Hahahaha
Martin Potter Jokes man
DXXXXXX GXXXXXX Hope fully banned from all sports grounds for a long time! Absolute disgrace to the town!
Martin Potter Hahahaha shut up ya Joke don't think I'll be gettin a ban ;)
DXXXXX GXXXXXXXX I'm glad you proud of yourself you have disgraced yourself, your family and the entire town
AXXXXXX TXXXXXXX Only joke is you. You should get a ban for giving the sport a bad rep acting like a co©k.
DXXXXXXX GXXXXXXX (Sporting Club) if this bloke ever gets considered to wear our shirt again I will never have anything to do with OUR club again
Martin Potter Hahahaha nah lad was it jus me?
Here's a link to Mr Potters Facebook page ... https://www.facebook...0265428&fref=ts
Perhaps the RFL or even 'possibly' the great and the good on here would care to message this young man to explain to him just what he's done ... I'm sure that he'd appreciate it.
Finally, yes the Club HAS been informed ... 'gone right to the top. 



Well I hope he thinks he has done his club, his town and the sport proud. I also hope he gets what's coming to him in the way of bans and hopefully he has broken a law about invading pitches were he can be done.


After that I hope every pub in Widnes bans him for being an idiot who makes visiting supporters less likely to want to visit Widnes due to their hooligan element.


In fact the town and club should sue him for damaging their reputation.