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#2911118 Roughyeds fans trust

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 05 April 2014 - 07:52 AM

All the hamilton lovers wont like it but.....we had a proud club, ch took over and has taken us into a downward spiral.Compared to other clubs positions in 1997 which club has been as badly managed. You ridiculous Hamilton lovers failed to support roughyedspud now we wait for administration as our salvation. ,

WRONG again. Get your facts right. The once proud club was killed off by Jim Quinn. It was dead and buried well before Chris Hamilton came along. He couldn't take it over as it didn't exist. He started a new club unrelated to the old club. Get it right!!!


#2897882 Roughyeds fans trust

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 12 March 2014 - 01:34 PM

I have been reading this thread with interest over the past few weeks, and have declined to comment until now.
Having known CH for many years, and having a good knowledge of how ORLFC operates, and the game itself, the problems are not unique to just ORLFC. The whole set of the professional game is against teams outside SL - and until that changes every club is flogging a dead horse.
Look at the facts. How can Oldham or any other club operate a healthy budget on the small amount of home games they will have this year? The exposure of SL in the media is poor at best, and is non-existant outside SL, how is that enticing for potential backers or sponsors? Introduce a fair P&R system throughtout the game, and you then might attract the backer that can take a team like Oldham/York etc into SL, where their return maybe a small one, if that, but it's more attractive than putting money into a bottomless pit.
The costs of ruuning a rugby league club, whether you pay the players or not isn't cheap - after being involved in a top amateur club I can see first hand the costs involved, but add the wages of staff etc, on the small gates Oldham get, it's not rocket science that the club is struggling. Why do you think the TAX issue comes up every so often, is the easiest bill not to pay as it buys you time. But it's also the most fatal, in that if you do not pay, it can end the club completely.

CH works very hard, and often very long hours. Why should he do this for free when he also has a mortgage to pay, bills to account for etc? Would you work the hours he did for nothing?

A common sense post as usual from Oldhamer. My view, for what it's worth, is that any fund/trust should look at helping to fund the areas of the club that will help us speccies, not it's day to day running or as a means of taking over the club. For example a 'stand fund' that contribute towards the building of a stand. This money could be ring fenced so that it can't be used for other purposes.


#2891564 A post from a fellow fan.

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 02 March 2014 - 06:26 PM

I can't believe that at least two posters above have said they would want Hamilton to stay at the club if they won the lottery and invested their winnings!
I wonder if they would have let Jimmy Savile childmind their kids too?
Would have been less of a risk than putting your money in the hands of that fella!
Even Tommy Cone saw sense and kept his money away and he's not the brightest apple on the tree!

you are well out of order. Sorry I'm through with this discussion if that's the kind of rubbish being spouted on this topic.


#2891128 A post from a fellow fan.

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 02 March 2014 - 09:00 AM

Chris hamilton presides over a shambles. Its his making, his attitude and his fault we are so badly run. He may not be creaming millions for himself but hes been paying himself a decent butty while under performing in his job. He may look like he buys his clothes at a charity shop but hes had some money though his fat grubby fingers. If I had consistently under performed, routinly alienated customers do not think I would still be emplyed. A good club starts with the man at the top.

I hear that potential players have choeen other clubs over us because of ch and his poor reputation in rl circles.

sorry can't see any facts there!!! All hearsay and opinion. 'Fat grubby fingers' ??? So let's say Chris walks away, leaves the keys on the desk. Go on what are you going to do? Oh by the way every club has potential players that choose other clubs because of the CEO, the coach, the ground and yes even the fans. Get a grip. Pull together. Chris Hamilton owns and runs the club full stop.


#2890804 A post from a fellow fan.

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 01 March 2014 - 03:33 PM

I know that a lot of fans are frustrated and that Oldham has the potential to be up there with the best, but circumstance has dealt its hand and we are where we are. Chris Hamilton stepped up to the crease when we had no team, no hope, nothing. It does infuriate me when there are constant jibes about his integrity. If, and say if, he is being paid £100k per annum then he is being short changed. If I were to win the euromillions, like many, I would invest in the club. But I would make sure that CH was still CEO. He has experience, knowledge and contacts. So let's stop venting our spleens and get behind the club. If there is someway of increasing revenue via a fans trust then go for it. But you have to work WITH those running the club. Not against them.


#2888565 Roughyeds fans trust

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 25 February 2014 - 09:44 PM

I was talking generally, not specifically. unless you have something that the current shareholders want then I wouldn't waste my time.


#2887453 Roughyeds fans trust

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 24 February 2014 - 02:36 PM

If CH gifts the club 25% of the shares to any other person or persons they would be responsible for 25% of the debts.

Erm no they wouldn't. It's a limited company and shareholders are not liable for any debts. Otherwise those of us who had shares in the old club would've had to fork out for the debts.


#2882462 promotion

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 17 February 2014 - 02:45 PM

Not wanting to shoot down your hopes of promotion but would you get promoted with the ground as it is. I think the RFL would have a standard and you would not meet it.

Groundhog day!!!!!!!!!


#2876602 Salford squad analysed using 'moneyball' stats-type technique

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 07 February 2014 - 12:37 PM

The moneyball system really only works for the first team to do it. Once everyone tries it then it becomes redundant and a new system is needed.


#2867968 Law cup

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 21 January 2014 - 10:29 PM

Everybody is making a big issue of the showers, its just an excuse Hornets don't want to get beaten by a team in a lower division. Wouldn't be a good start for them.

exactly what I said but Tyrone shoelaces poo pood it. They're too big a club for us now. But just wait till the right balance is restored.


#2866330 Team for 2014

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 19 January 2014 - 09:58 AM

I thought we handled the duel reg ok last year. Apart from the first game at Crusaders. We effectively had the DR players on long term loan rather than in and out at Salford's insistence. As long as we can have players who build a rapport with the rest of the squad and want to play for the team as Ford did then I'm ok with it. However if Salford start to dictate then I'm not.


#2860151 League structure in the 50's

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 05 January 2014 - 07:33 PM

http://en.wikipedia....ll_Union_season

Notice which team stands out in the Lancashire Senior League there!

6 teams having points deducted for breaching professional rules!!!! Wonder what rules were breached?


#2859033 Letting in the new year!

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 03 January 2014 - 10:19 AM

Well seeing as no one else has done it I thought I'd let the new year in on the Oldham forum. Happy new year!!! Come on Oldham!


#2835353 Tax man

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 15 November 2013 - 02:09 PM

Don't worry. I ve got my numbers for tonight's euromillions. :D


#2827296 Law cup

Posted by The Art of Hand and Foot on 05 November 2013 - 04:03 PM

Maybe the hornets have a point!? BUT....... Maybe they now think they're too big a club to come to Whitebank!? Or maybe they're too scared, maybe they know that they'll get thrashed? Wouldn't do to be hammered by a team in the lower division now would it?