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Because we're all bored...Rovers top 100 players of the last 50 years

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Not bad this

Griffin and Riddy wouldn't have been close for me and probably not Craven

Bussey and Briggs maybe higher

Good shout whoever said Danny Baker.  Unstoppable at times and to prove he could have played at a higher level he scored a cracker v Leeds in the cup.  Was it the ill judged tweets in more recent times that reduced his ranking points ?

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On 02/04/2020 at 15:16, The Phantom Horseman said:

It took a grade of 8.0 to make the top 100. Which ruled out plenty of players I graded at 7.8 or 7.9...including some very fine players such as Cyril Kellett, Ken Kellett, Luke Cooper, Nigel Barker, Jordan Baldwinson, Matty Dale, Dale Fennell, Gary Siddall, Tim Slatter, Benny Kaye, Alan Rhodes, Tim Sharp and many more. Just shows how many very good players we have had in the blue and white over the last 50 years.


 

 

Some of the players you mentioned there were regulars in arguably the two strongest ever Rovers sides, ie 1973 and 1977, so leaving out Cyril Kellett, Ken Kellett, Alan Rhodes and Dale Fennell, who were regulars in what we say were the finest teams of the day, could lead to knockers devaluing the trophy wins from those years. Wasn't winning the league in 1977 as big an achievement as winning Super League in the present day? 95% of players from the last  25 years in that list couldn't hold down a regular place with the a lower Super League club, let alone dream of a Challenge Cup or League Championship winners medal.

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8 minutes ago, Steve Slater said:

Some of the players you mentioned there were regulars in arguably the two strongest ever Rovers sides, ie 1973 and 1977, so leaving out Cyril Kellett, Ken Kellett, Alan Rhodes and Dale Fennell, who were regulars in what we say were the finest teams of the day, could lead to knockers devaluing the trophy wins from those years. Wasn't winning the league in 1977 as big an achievement as winning Super League in the present day? 95% of players from the last  25 years in that list couldn't hold down a regular place with the a lower Super League club, let alone dream of a Challenge Cup or League Championship winners medal.

All fair points Steve and I definitely mean no disrespect to some of the players I left out but some of the greatest club teams in sporting history didn't have stars in every position and I think that was definitely true about both the 1973 and 1977 teams.

It's no coincidence that four of my top 10 players were all in the 1973 cup-winning pack, and that, along with arguably the greatest player the club have had in the last 50 years at scrum half, was where the strength of the team lay (added to the fact that we had a coach who was years ahead of his time). And it's no surprise that those players were the ones who the richer teams eventually cherrry-picked in the following years - Nash was the first to go, and Thompson, Bridges, Farrar and Stone were all later picked off by much wealthier teams than us, whereas none of the guys I left out were targets for the bigger clubs.

But those four titans of one of the greatest club packs we've ever seen were still with us in our title-winning season in 1976-77, and by then they had been joined by Peter Smith, Mick Gibbins and Keith Bell. I'm in no doubt that it was that pack - surely our greatest-ever, and by a wide margin - that led us to the title (aided by the inspired switch of John Newlove to half back by this stage). We had some very solid backs that year, and John Gilbert and Steve Evans both made their debuts that season, but we owed those glory days to the pack, and it was no coincidence that when Thompson, Bridges, Farrar and Stone all left over the next 2 years, we became significantly weaker very quickly despite the development of backs such as Gilbert and Evans, to the extent that 2 years after winning the title we were relegated.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

All fair points Steve and I definitely mean no disrespect to some of the players I left out but some of the greatest club teams in sporting history didn't have stars in every position and I think that was definitely true about both the 1973 and 1977 teams.

It's no coincidence that four of my top 10 players were all in the 1973 cup-winning pack, and that, along with arguably the greatest player the club have had in the last 50 years at scrum half, was where the strength of the team lay (added to the fact that we had a coach who was years ahead of his time). And it's no surprise that those players were the ones who the richer teams eventually cherrry-picked in the following years - Nash was the first to go, and Thompson, Bridges, Farrar and Stone were all later picked off by much wealthier teams than us, whereas none of the guys I left out were targets for the bigger clubs.

But those four titans of one of the greatest club packs we've ever seen were still with us in our title-winning season in 1976-77, and by then they had been joined by Peter Smith, Mick Gibbins and Keith Bell. I'm in no doubt that it was that pack - surely our greatest-ever, and by a wide margin - that led us to the title (aided by the inspired switch of John Newlove to half back by this stage). We had some very solid backs that year, and John Gilbert and Steve Evans both made their debuts that season, but we owed those glory days to the pack, and it was no coincidence that when Thompson, Bridges, Farrar and Stone all left over the next 2 years, we became significantly weaker very quickly despite the development of backs such as Gilbert and Evans, to the extent that 2 years after winning the title we were relegated.

 

 

 

Good points TPH, you can't beat constructive debate like this when we're all bored due to no live sport.

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One thing that comes to mind. I saw all those great players and the club brought them on to their heights and then we had to sell to survive. 

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1 hour ago, Steve Slater said:

Good points TPH, you can't beat constructive debate like this when we're all bored due to no live sport.

Yep. Think I would actually make quite a few changes to my original rankings having read some of the comments here which have all been pretty good.

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