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38 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Maybe, but the other side of Littleton Road is where Swinton want to build a stadium, and have been constantly refused, is in M27

Should be a discussion between Salford and Swinton about how the next ground move could save both with a ground share. 

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How dare anyone build anything on Littleton Road playing fields? Hallowed ground that saw me every Wednesday afternoon getting whacked during school weekly sports. 

Four legs good - two legs bad

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1 hour ago, ShropshireBull said:

Should be a discussion between Salford and Swinton about how the next ground move could save both with a ground share. 

Swinton really need to bite the bullet and move to Manchester lock, stock and barrel.

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1 minute ago, Cumbrian Mackem said:

Swinton really need to bite the bullet and move to Manchester lock, stock and barrel.

A merger or move is actually worse for a new team than starting again. 

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1 minute ago, Cumbrian Mackem said:

In what way?

Because it has an association with the past, brings all the negative baggage of killing a club and could be seen as a rebrand rather than a new exciting club. Swinton should be working with Salford to get them both a suitable home and a new Manchester RL team should be at the MRA.

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On 13/07/2021 at 13:28, Cumbrian Mackem said:

I'd also look to try and kick-start a grassroots expansion programme within the greater Manchester area like what the Newcastle thunder are currently doing targeting areas like Tameside, Trafford borough and gorton etc.

Like this?

Lions and Rangers Partnership

Greater Manchester Player Development League

Head of Youth Development

England Talent Pathway

Got women's teams running at under 16 and open age for the first time this season with plans to expand that next year.

Things aren't going well on the pitch for the men's first team at Swinton but away from that the club is flying. So much progress being made.

 

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1 hour ago, Colin James said:

Like this?

Lions and Rangers Partnership

Greater Manchester Player Development League

Head of Youth Development

England Talent Pathway

Got women's teams running at under 16 and open age for the first time this season with plans to expand that next year.

Things aren't going well on the pitch for the men's first team at Swinton but away from that the club is flying. So much progress being made.

 

Great post Colin, unfortunately your first 2 links don't work. Fingers crossed these may work:

https://swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk/news/swinton-lions-and-manchester-rangers-announce-development-partnership/             

      https://swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-player-development-league-festival-2/

https://swintonlionsrlfc.co.uk/news/swinton-foundation-forms-manchester-lions/

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1 hour ago, White Chevron on Blue said:

Thanks, not sure what went wrong, I've edited the correct links in now.

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8 hours ago, Colin James said:

Like this?

Lions and Rangers Partnership

Greater Manchester Player Development League

Head of Youth Development

England Talent Pathway

Got women's teams running at under 16 and open age for the first time this season with plans to expand that next year.

Things aren't going well on the pitch for the men's first team at Swinton but away from that the club is flying. So much progress being made.

 

Exactly like this. Fantastic stuff.

Looks like the Manchester rangers are still alive albeit off the pitch with their foundation work.

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On 15/07/2021 at 16:04, Cumbrian Mackem said:

Swinton really need to bite the bullet and move to Manchester lock, stock and barrel.

And change their name to Manchester 

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12 minutes ago, Phil said:

And change their name to Manchester 

That ship has sailed. I was broadly supportive of the change because we had a good board and recognised the club couldn't continue operating as it was (small loyal group of fans funding a first team and nothing else). But the current board has shown that we can be so much more whilst also respecting the heritage of the club.

There remains potential for an elite club in Manchester under the Manchester banner but Swinton doesn't need to be that club. If someone else either existing club or new club wants to give it a go then good luck to them.

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4 minutes ago, Colin James said:

That ship has sailed. I was broadly supportive of the change because we had a good board and recognised the club couldn't continue operating as it was (small loyal group of fans funding a first team and nothing else). But the current board has shown that we can be so much more whilst also respecting the heritage of the club.

There remains potential for an elite club in Manchester under the Manchester banner but Swinton doesn't need to be that club. If someone else either existing club or new club wants to give it a go then good luck to them.

Where will swinton be in the next 10 years say?

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I'd like to see Swinton push their boundaries and try and attract support from more of Manchester. There are many sports clubs in big cities that dont have the city name but still attract fans from that city.

It looks like Swinton are developing the game in Manchester so hopefully they can grow as a club and represent more than just Swinton 

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2 minutes ago, Cumbrian Mackem said:

Where will swinton be in the next 10 years say?

Realistically I would like to be in the Championship with some home grown players in the first team. Junior teams running at every age group and the Lionesses competing at a good level. A reserve team would be fantastic. Heywood Road is a good base and unless somehow a stadium in Swinton becomes possible I see no reason to leave. 

There are amateur clubs who have contributed more to the sport along those lines over the last 30 years than a lot of clubs in the professional game who have become bogged down with trying to compete/survive and spend all their money and energy on the first team and players who are here today and gone tomorrow.

We want ambition in the sport but that doesn't mean every club has to try and be Grand Final winners because it's just not realistic. If Swinton is a good Championship club which engages new people in the sport that's fine. It's more than the club has been for a long time. On the back of engagement you have to hope that new younger blood will start attending games because the average age of our fans must be well over 50.

I'd rather be doing the above in L1 than playing in front of 400 in the Championship with a load of Dual Reg players going into the season thinking we'd be happy finishing third bottom. It's about substance, legacy and community.

If someone wants to try and create Manchester the Super League franchise playing out of a big stadium I hope they are successful. We don't need to be that club and we don't need to kill off Swinton/Rochdale/Oldham/Salford to create that club.

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23 minutes ago, Colin James said:

Realistically I would like to be in the Championship with some home grown players in the first team. Junior teams running at every age group and the Lionesses competing at a good level. A reserve team would be fantastic. Heywood Road is a good base and unless somehow a stadium in Swinton becomes possible I see no reason to leave. 

There are amateur clubs who have contributed more to the sport along those lines over the last 30 years than a lot of clubs in the professional game who have become bogged down with trying to compete/survive and spend all their money and energy on the first team and players who are here today and gone tomorrow.

We want ambition in the sport but that doesn't mean every club has to try and be Grand Final winners because it's just not realistic. If Swinton is a good Championship club which engages new people in the sport that's fine. It's more than the club has been for a long time. On the back of engagement you have to hope that new younger blood will start attending games because the average age of our fans must be well over 50.

I'd rather be doing the above in L1 than playing in front of 400 in the Championship with a load of Dual Reg players going into the season thinking we'd be happy finishing third bottom. It's about substance, legacy and community.

If someone wants to try and create Manchester the Super League franchise playing out of a big stadium I hope they are successful. We don't need to be that club and we don't need to kill off Swinton/Rochdale/Oldham/Salford to create that club.

I don’t want to see any RL club die as that makes our already minority sport that much smaller but my fears for swinton lions are the exact same as yours namely that you have a small group of aging fans and that as a club you haven’t played or been based in swinton for over 20+ years and don’t look to be heading home anytime soon.

I think the grassroots and community work that swinton lions have been doing is excellent and long may it continue.

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57 minutes ago, Cumbrian Mackem said:

Where will swinton be in the next 10 years say?

My point over the Manchester name is that apart from RL fans and northerners generally who’s ever heard of Swinton? It’s just another small northern RL town. We need big city names and big city clubs 

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19 minutes ago, Phil said:

My point over the Manchester name is that apart from RL fans and northerners generally who’s ever heard of Swinton? It’s just another small northern RL town. We need big city names and big city clubs 

London are doing well.

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13 minutes ago, Phil said:

My point over the Manchester name is that apart from RL fans and northerners generally who’s ever heard of Swinton? It’s just another small northern RL town. We need big city names and big city clubs 

I agree but if the swinton fans don’t want to move that’s there call and you can’t make them but if they were to put down roots in Trafford and engage with the local community then I’m all for that as well.

My main point is that like you the game of RL in England needs a presence in big cities like Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield and Newcastle etc alongside the likes of wigan, St. Helens and Huddersfield etc and the Manchester regional arena would be the perfect base for a professional/semi-professional Manchester team.

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39 minutes ago, Phil said:

My point over the Manchester name is that apart from RL fans and northerners generally who’s ever heard of Swinton? It’s just another small northern RL town. We need big city names and big city clubs 

Outside of football, how many have heard of Aston or Everton as places?

Swinton is an area of a large conurbation in the same manner as those examples, that doesn't stop them being sustainable or even thriving.

As CJ says, a Manchester named team has it's advantages and my best wishes to anyone who wants to give that a shot - but not at the expense of Swinton as a club and against the wishes of their fans - Same applies for Oldham & Rochdale. 

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26 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

Outside of football, how many have heard of Aston or Everton as places?

Swinton is an area of a large conurbation in the same manner as those examples, that doesn't stop them being sustainable or even thriving.

As CJ says, a Manchester named team has it's advantages and my best wishes to anyone who wants to give that a shot - but not at the expense of Swinton as a club and against the wishes of their fans - Same applies for Oldham & Rochdale. 

The main difference is because football is the National sport in England and the worlds #1 sport football has put places like Everton, Aston, Tottenham and Chelsea on the map plus all of those places listed can be found within the city boundaries of Liverpool, Birmingham and london proper.

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15 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Knew this thread would turn into another let’s rebadge Swinton/Salford/Rochdale etc as Manchester...

Swinton have already started that journey

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