AFL

[Sports Prophet]

2 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Not by much.

I'll wait for someone to mention free tickets.

It’s a standard paranoid and unsubstantiated defence. I’m sure we’ll hear of it soon enough

Edited September 15 by Sports Prophet

[unapologetic pedant]

3 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

No Melbourne clubs left in the competition at all. Some might say that demonstrates a good national game.

If Fitzroy eliminate Geelong, GF TV ratings will be interesting.

[Sports Prophet]

1 minute ago, unapologetic pedant said:

If Fitzroy eliminate Geelong, GF TV ratings will be interesting.

It doesn’t look like it will be one of the most viewed finals. NRL GF may even be higher for a change.

[The Future is League]

1 hour ago, unapologetic pedant said:

@Sports Prophet appears to be sulkily incommunicado on the subject of Fumbles.

Hence, I can only ask rhetorically what he makes of the two PFs. No Melbourne clubs.

Suspect even the keenest of Western Sydney expansionists were relieved Fitzroy beat the Giants.

He was outed on League unlimited as a fumbleball troll

Look our reacts when people post facts about fumbleball that don't suit his pro fumbleball agenda.

[unapologetic pedant]

3 hours ago, The Future is League said:

He was outed on League unlimited as a fumbleball troll

Look our reacts when people post facts about fumbleball that don't suit his pro fumbleball agenda.

My theory is that creative tension and rivalry between NRL and AFL is mutually beneficial. The concurrently vigorous health of the two comps would seem to prove the point.

I have another theory that NRL has more scope for inward demographic expansion within NSW and QLD. Alongside more viable and lucrative outward expansion options. Making NRL increasingly popular and rich. 

Which, looping back to my first theory, probably won't do AFL any harm.

Hence, I reckon fans of either or both codes can afford to relax and enjoy the ride. 

[unapologetic pedant]

South Melbourne v Fitzroy GF 2024.

Great to see two of the smaller Vic clubs enjoy a moment of glory.

 

[unapologetic pedant]

Worth clarifying that the figure of 23k FTA average Sydney viewership for Fumbles relates to all AFL games. Swans games rate better, but not that much better.

The evidence that over the past 20 years or so the Waratahs and Reds crowds have shifted across to Swans and Lions continues to firm up.

The two NRL clubs in most obvious competition with AFL have seen no adverse effects. Roosters and Broncos have both substantially grown their fanbases through this period.

[EggFace]

On 15/09/2024 at 23:14, unapologetic pedant said:

My theory is that creative tension and rivalry between NRL and AFL is mutually beneficial. The concurrently vigorous health of the two comps would seem to prove the point.

I have another theory that NRL has more scope for inward demographic expansion within NSW and QLD. Alongside more viable and lucrative outward expansion options. Making NRL increasingly popular and rich. 

Which, looping back to my first theory, probably won't do AFL any harm.

Hence, I reckon fans of either or both codes can afford to relax and enjoy the ride. 

It's good and healthy to have 2 Codes of Football at the top like NRL and AFL but doesn't help either them saying stupid comments like the AFL guy saying AFL will take over NSW and QLD.

[unapologetic pedant]

5 hours ago, EggFace said:

It's good and healthy to have 2 Codes of Football at the top like NRL and AFL but doesn't help either them saying stupid comments like the AFL guy saying AFL will take over NSW and QLD.

Fine line between aspiration and hubris.

Fact is, AFL now have two major clubs in RL States. Probably bitten off more than they can chew with Giants and Suns.

NRL are unlikely to make similar mistakes. Inconceivable there will ever be more than one NRL franchise in any of Vic, WA, SA. Firstly, there are several better options elsewhere. Secondly, the deep-rooted RL inferiority complex, born of the historical relation to RU, makes them less inclined to imagine becoming the dominant code outside their heartlands.

The NRL expansion venture that could turn into a millstone is PNG. Could say "Albotross". Somebody must have used that already.

[The Future is League]

8 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Fine line between aspiration and hubris.

Fact is, AFL now have two major clubs in RL States. Probably bitten off more than they can chew with Giants and Suns.

NRL are unlikely to make similar mistakes. Inconceivable there will ever be more than one NRL franchise in any of Vic, WA, SA. Firstly, there are several better options elsewhere. Secondly, the deep-rooted RL inferiority complex, born of the historical relation to RU, makes them less inclined to imagine becoming the dominant code outside their heartlands.

The NRL expansion venture that could turn into a millstone is PNG. Could say "Albotross". Somebody must have used that already.

The PNG team IF it happens wont cost the NRL a penny. It's the Oz government who will bankroll it.

[The Future is League]

13 hours ago, EggFace said:

It's good and healthy to have 2 Codes of Football at the top like NRL and AFL but doesn't help either them saying stupid comments like the AFL guy saying AFL will take over NSW and QLD.

I know 2 IFS, but if the PNG NRL team gets the go ahead and they are based in North Queensland, and if there is another NRL club in SE Queensland that will kill off any further of AFL expansion in Queensland. In fact if could retract AFL in Queensland, and as for overtaking Rugby League in NSW look how well the midgets are doing in NSW, not, and Dave Matthews the CEO of the midgets has admitted that things are getting harder for the midgets.

[unapologetic pedant]

6 hours ago, The Future is League said:

The PNG team IF it happens wont cost the NRL a penny. It's the Oz government who will bankroll it.

For 10 years. What then?

The economy and society of PNG will need to undergo enormous change for the venture to be independently viable thereafter.

[The Future is League]

1 hour ago, unapologetic pedant said:

For 10 years. What then?

The economy and society of PNG will need to undergo enormous change for the venture to be independently viable thereafter.

Well see if first they get in and then take it from there

In my many years i can't recall Rugby League ever having a 10 year plan before.

[unapologetic pedant]

18 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Well see if first they get in and then take it from there

In my many years i can't recall Rugby League ever having a 10 year plan before.

This is a fair point. Hard for any new franchise to plan too far ahead.

The concern over PNG is that there are many more factors beyond the control or influence of the NRL. Not just in PNG. Dependence on continued goodwill from transient politicians in Canberra is fraught with risk.

WA, NZ 2, and Brisbane 3 are all gilt-edged expansion options which take NRL to a 20-team comp. AFL already have 2 failing money pits in an 18-team comp. The advantage is with NRL. Why jeopardize it?

[The Future is League]

1 minute ago, unapologetic pedant said:

This is a fair point. Hard for any new franchise to plan too far ahead.

The concern over PNG is that there are many more factors beyond the control or influence of the NRL. Not just in PNG. Dependence on continued goodwill from transient politicians in Canberra is fraught with risk.

WA, NZ 2, and Brisbane 3 are all gilt-edged expansion options which take NRL to a 20-team comp. AFL already have 2 failing money pits in an 18-team comp. The advantage is with NRL. Why jeopardize it?

We all know the idea behind the PNG team is political, and makes sense to a lot of even non sporting people in Australia, and Rugby League is the number sport in PNG by 2 country miles. Its about getting the whole country behind a team that the whole country can support.

We all know as well that its just a matter of time before WA, NZ 2, and Brisbane 3 will be NRL clubs

[unapologetic pedant]

Bit of a blowout in the Fumbles GF. I made it 107-34 by the start of the 4th quarter.

Only point of significance and comparison worth noting is that the team finishing 5th on the ladder are the premiers. Whereas there's been a slight air of inevitability in the NRL that the top 2 would meet in the GF. Moot point which of these scenarios is preferable.

[The Future is League]

11 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Bit of a blowout in the Fumbles GF. I made it 107-34 by the start of the 4th quarter.

Only point of significance and comparison worth noting is that the team finishing 5th on the ladder are the premiers. Whereas there's been a slight air of inevitability in the NRL that the top 2 would meet in the GF. Moot point which of these scenarios is preferable.

That blow out score will be huge body blow to AFL in Sydney and NSW.

People don't want to be associated with a team that loses like that in a grand final and people don't want to be associated with a club that loses by that score in garnd final.

[unapologetic pedant]

7 hours ago, The Future is League said:

That blow out score will be huge body blow to AFL in Sydney and NSW.

People don't want to be associated with a team that loses like that in a grand final and people don't want to be associated with a club that loses by that score in garnd final.

2019 GF was even better.

Richmond 114 GWS 25 (3 goals, 7 misses).

[The Future is League]

15 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

2019 GF was even better.

Richmond 114 GWS 25 (3 goals, 7 misses).

Little wonder that the midgets are making next to no impression in Sydney depite the BS coming out Vicky Kicky house and the 1,000's of tickets they give out for the Midgets home games.