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#21 cookey

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:07 PM

As Labour not only spent all the money,but also spent vast amounts of money they didn't have,then yes,the Tories will have to reduce Sports expenditure.Rather like Clubs spending money they don't have and being forced into Administration - unfortunately the U.K. can't go into Administration to clear the debts.Thanks Labour.

#22 Bulliac

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE (cookey @ Jul 8 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As Labour not only spent all the money,but also spent vast amounts of money they didn't have,then yes,the Tories will have to reduce Sports expenditure.Rather like Clubs spending money they don't have and being forced into Administration - unfortunately the U.K. can't go into Administration to clear the debts.Thanks Labour.

Pathetic.

I would go further but this is an RL forum not somewhere to stick rightwing loony arguments, please stick to the thread.

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#23 Yakstorm

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 03:32 AM

What is the point of making a large profit today if it means you are going to limit your future earnings? Same what's the point in giving some of your hard earned money to the government in tax when it could be better re-invested back into ones business?

The RFL's stance is a smart move. They have recorded a profit for the 8th successive year which will give confidence to partners of the sport, whilst insuring that money is put back into to grow the code.

The sport needs more players, more supporters, and it needs strong member clubs, so where the RFL is redirecting money all positive.

Honestly I think some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. League in the UK is in a good position, sure it can be better, but hey as we all know, it could be a lot lot lot worse....
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#24 boxhead

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 08:53 AM

I think the game has some pretty big problems.
Until more teams are competitive to the point where they challenge to be the best team in SL on a regular basis its a limited league with only half the teams with a chance and recently only a couple that ever win anything of consequence.
The Crowds are not really growing and the local players that are top notch world class would not make up one squad of 17.
Many of the sponsors are local and poor in all honesty and not anywhere close to National companies that relate to National exposure
If the TV deal is downgraded its curtains for half the Clubs.

Sorry to be negative but the game is at the crossroads.
The franchise points system was pretty pathetic and nearly half the Clubs need a new ground with little happening other than PR ######.
Several Clubs have a population base that ensures they can never be a big Club or be competitive over a number of years.

Edited by AndyCapp, 11 July 2010 - 08:57 AM.


#25 Yakstorm

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:15 AM

I take it you mean that many of the club sponsors are local, because at the RFL level, outside of Carnegie and Frontline, the rest of the companies are at least national organisations, or part of a multi-national setup.

Here is the current RFL Sponsors just to show:
- William Hill (National)
- Proctor & Gamble (Multinational)
- IHG (Multinational)
- BSkyB (National)
- Engage (National)
- The Co-Operative (National)
- Carnegie (Regional)
- Frontline (Regional)
- Serco-NedRailways (Multinational)
- Puma (Multinational)
- IrnBru (Multinational)
- Peters (National)
- Dewalt (Multinational)
- Valvoline (Multinational)
- Polar (Multinational)
- Steeden (Multinational)
- 2XU (Multinational)
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#26 Dave T

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:34 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Jul 11 2010, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the game has some pretty big problems.
Until more teams are competitive to the point where they challenge to be the best team in SL on a regular basis its a limited league with only half the teams with a chance and recently only a couple that ever win anything of consequence.
The Crowds are not really growing and the local players that are top notch world class would not make up one squad of 17.
Many of the sponsors are local and poor in all honesty and not anywhere close to National companies that relate to National exposure
If the TV deal is downgraded its curtains for half the Clubs.

Sorry to be negative but the game is at the crossroads.
The franchise points system was pretty pathetic and nearly half the Clubs need a new ground with little happening other than PR ######.
Several Clubs have a population base that ensures they can never be a big Club or be competitive over a number of years.

What's your thoughts on the actual topic of the thread, the financial returns, instead of just having another whinge?

#27 boxhead

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 11 2010, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's your thoughts on the actual topic of the thread, the financial returns, instead of just having another whinge?



I think that amount of turnover is the minimum for a game that aspires to move forward.
Its chicken feed in the scope of things.

My post was more in reply to the subtext (oh no it isn't)


#28 boxhead

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:59 AM

QUOTE (Yakstorm @ Jul 11 2010, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I take it you mean that many of the club sponsors are local, because at the RFL level, outside of Carnegie and Frontline, the rest of the companies are at least national organisations, or part of a multi-national setup.

Here is the current RFL Sponsors just to show:
- William Hill (National)
- Proctor & Gamble (Multinational)
- IHG (Multinational)
- BSkyB (National)
- Engage (National)
- The Co-Operative (National)
- Carnegie (Regional)
- Frontline (Regional)
- Serco-NedRailways (Multinational)
- Puma (Multinational)
- IrnBru (Multinational)
- Peters (National)
- Dewalt (Multinational)
- Valvoline (Multinational)
- Polar (Multinational)
- Steeden (Multinational)
- 2XU (Multinational)



You may be right.
I was talking about actual Club sponsors. What was Leeds Shirt sponsor again? (the club that is the shining light since Saints were)
Which team has a sponsor on their shirt, that is usually the major sponsor isn't it? that would be known around the World say in Australia or NZ
Irnbru multinational? you using The Isle of man as another Country?
Digger World? its almost smaller than Bobs Pie Shop. (in two locations)

Edited by AndyCapp, 11 July 2010 - 11:02 AM.


#29 Dave T

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Jul 11 2010, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You may be right.
I was talking about actual Club sponsors. What was Leeds Shirt sponsor again? (the club that is the shining light since Saints were)
Which team has a sponsor on their shirt, that is usually the major sponsor isn't it? that would be known around the World say in Australia or NZ
Irnbru multinational? you using The Isle of man as another Country?
Digger World? its almost smaller than Bobs Pie Shop. (in two locations)

Wire have Vestas, who are an international company (although I must admit to never having heard of them when they signed up!!!)

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 11 2010, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wire have Vestas, who are an international company (although I must admit to never having heard of them when they signed up!!!)



WHO?
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#31 Dave T

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:28 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Jul 11 2010, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WHO?
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After looking them up it seems they have bases in Melbourne, Palmerston North, Houston, a couple in Colorado, Portland, Toronto, South America, China, India, all over Europe, and of course, Warrington!

#32 Dave T

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:30 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Jul 11 2010, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You may be right.
I was talking about actual Club sponsors. What was Leeds Shirt sponsor again? (the club that is the shining light since Saints were)
Which team has a sponsor on their shirt, that is usually the major sponsor isn't it? that would be known around the World say in Australia or NZ
Irnbru multinational? you using The Isle of man as another Country?
Digger World? its almost smaller than Bobs Pie Shop. (in two locations)

On this point, whilst it would be great to have the major sponsors lining up to have their names emblazoned on the RL shirts, this just doesn't happen, and the game can survive without them. If it means attracting more local sponsors who will put their name on the shirt and pay for the rights, then so be it, and we shouldn't be snobby about it (simply - we can't afford to be!).



#33 boxhead

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 11 2010, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On this point, whilst it would be great to have the major sponsors lining up to have their names emblazoned on the RL shirts, this just doesn't happen, and the game can survive without them. If it means attracting more local sponsors who will put their name on the shirt and pay for the rights, then so be it, and we shouldn't be snobby about it (simply - we can't afford to be!).



For a Carton of Beer and a BBQ (Premium Rib Eye Steak with all the sides) I wouldn't mind being a Sleeve sponsor.
Is that possible?
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#34 Dave T

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:40 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Jul 11 2010, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For a Carton of Beer and a BBQ (Premium Rib Eye Steak with all the sides) I wouldn't mind being a Sleeve sponsor.
Is that possible?
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You can have the collar too for that.

#35 boxhead

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 11 2010, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can have the collar too for that.


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I wish I was there and could sponsor a team.
The game needs new input at the top level.


#36 Dave T

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:55 AM

One thing I would say about the quality of sponsor is that I haven't heard of many of the Aussie club main sponsors either, as they are local companies to the Australian market.

With the exception of a few like Sanyo, Toyota, Vodafone and perhaps Pirtek.

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 08:35 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Jul 11 2010, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What was Leeds Shirt sponsor again? (the club that is the shining light since Saints were)

In the 1990s Leeds were sponsored by Carling, then in 200s by Tetleys, briefley their ground by Bass. The whole game had a 'beer and fags' mentality.

Leeds Rhinos 2010 shirt features sponsorship marques from:-

Leeds Building Society (top 10 Building Societies and one of the more solvent financial institutions in the UK)

Leeds Carnegie (one of the largest universities)

Jet2 (international airline based at Leeds Bradford International Airport)

Berrys (most exclusive jewellers in Leeds, set in the most valuable and prestigious shopping arcade probably anywhere outside London)

All locally based but all with prestige attached and the right associated values.
Now come on, thats not bad work

#38 Yakstorm

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 11 2010, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing I would say about the quality of sponsor is that I haven't heard of many of the Aussie club main sponsors either, as they are local companies to the Australian market.

With the exception of a few like Sanyo, Toyota, Vodafone and perhaps Pirtek.


Most of the NRL sponsors though are pretty large in the Australia / NZ markets though. Here are some of the more significant kit sponsors:

These are the on kit sponsors:
Broncos - WOW : National Retailer / Nike
Bulldogs - Jaycar : National retailer / Autobarn : National retailer
Raiders - No one of major note
Cowboys - Toyota / Harvey Norman: Multinational retailer
Titans - Jetstar : Qantas low cost brand / Adidas
Sea Eagles - No one of major note
Storm - Suzuki : Multinational car company / Jayco : Multinational caravan company
Knights - Coal & Allied : This is Rio Tinto / Bluetongue : This is Coca-Cola / McDonalds
Eels - Pirtek : Multinational fluid transfers solutions
Panthers - Sanyo : Multinational electrical goods manufacturer
Sharks - HiSense : Multinational electrical goods manufacturer
Rabbitohs - NAB Bank : Top four bank / Delonghi : Multinational / V8 Supercars : Sponsored by another sport
Dragons - St George Bank : Part of Westpac, top four bank in Australia
Roosters - Steggles : One of the largest
Warriors - Vodafone : Multinational phone carrier / Lion Beer : Multinational Beer brand
Wests Tigers - Proton Cars : Multinational car company / UD Trucks : Multinational

And then with all clubs they have deals with soft drink deals of note (Coke, Pepsi), Alcohol deals (Fosters, Lion Nathan), and Sports Drink deals (Powerade, Gatorade), which I'm amazed not all the Super League clubs have....
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#39 Dave T

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Yakstorm @ Jul 12 2010, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of the NRL sponsors though are pretty large in the Australia / NZ markets though. Here are some of the more significant kit sponsors:

These are the on kit sponsors:
Broncos - WOW : National Retailer / Nike
Bulldogs - Jaycar : National retailer / Autobarn : National retailer
Raiders - No one of major note
Cowboys - Toyota / Harvey Norman: Multinational retailer
Titans - Jetstar : Qantas low cost brand / Adidas
Sea Eagles - No one of major note
Storm - Suzuki : Multinational car company / Jayco : Multinational caravan company
Knights - Coal & Allied : This is Rio Tinto / Bluetongue : This is Coca-Cola / McDonalds
Eels - Pirtek : Multinational fluid transfers solutions
Panthers - Sanyo : Multinational electrical goods manufacturer
Sharks - HiSense : Multinational electrical goods manufacturer
Rabbitohs - NAB Bank : Top four bank / Delonghi : Multinational / V8 Supercars : Sponsored by another sport
Dragons - St George Bank : Part of Westpac, top four bank in Australia
Roosters - Steggles : One of the largest
Warriors - Vodafone : Multinational phone carrier / Lion Beer : Multinational Beer brand
Wests Tigers - Proton Cars : Multinational car company / UD Trucks : Multinational

And then with all clubs they have deals with soft drink deals of note (Coke, Pepsi), Alcohol deals (Fosters, Lion Nathan), and Sports Drink deals (Powerade, Gatorade), which I'm amazed not all the Super League clubs have....
I don't doubt the credentials of these sponsors, it was purely in response to AC claiming that he hadn't heard of many of the SL sponsors, yet many over here won't have heard of the sponsors on the front of the NRL shirts.

The fact is that the sports are on different scales, and also sports sponsorhsip is a different thing in the two countries. It appears to be much larger in Australia than it is in the UK (not necessarily in /$'s). As you say, it is bog standard for Aussie clubs to have various standard drinks deals, whereas that's not even common in major sports over here (unless you are the likes of Man Utd).

Most clubs do have an official beer provider, but this generally just means they supply the beer at the ground and it is difficult to find any kind of branding around the website or ground on this.


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Posted 12 July 2010 - 02:52 PM

http://www.therfl.co.....al Report.pdf

Full report here - but some very positive things. Personally I found these bits interesting


  • Red hall appears to have been purchased by the RFL to the tune of circa 500k (im not an accountant but that's how I read it). Good investment by them (buy low etc...) which they could easily not have done and reported a 500k profit, with loads going to the taxman...
  • Due to the crappy state of the worldwide economy interest recieved dropped by 150k
  • Broadcast revenue increased by 150% (4.5m) - Nice work by the negotiators
  • Government funding was reduced by 0.9m due to delayed payment of Sport England money (this should increase significantly next year)
  • Only 0.5m was spent on Marketing and Promotion - this is no where near enough - given they have got SL, MW, CC, 4N (I presume), GF and Mid Week International to promote, no wonder we see little advertisment.
However, all in all, I think the Governing Body have done exceptionally well, and look forward to them continuing the good work







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