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#21 shrek

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE (mick wilson @ Sep 5 2010, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
shrek what do you mean by this " its not the sort of ground I'd get the wife to visit a 2nd time!" ???


She gladly came along for the Hunslet Warriors game, point blankly refused to come along to the Hawks game in the next round, just not her cup of tea, she's been spoilt with the comfy seats of the DW!

She refused the offer of Castleford and Saints this season as well having been to both of those just the once as well, what can I say, she's southern!


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Sep 6 2010, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She gladly came along for the Hunslet Warriors game, point blankly refused to come along to the Hawks game in the next round, just not her cup of tea, she's been spoilt with the comfy seats of the DW!

She refused the offer of Castleford and Saints this season as well having been to both of those just the once as well, what can I say, she's southern sensible!


Corrected your typo for you.

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#23 goldcard

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Sep 5 2010, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She gladly came along for the Hunslet Warriors game, point blankly refused to come along to the Hawks game in the next round, just not her cup of tea, she's been spoilt with the comfy seats of the DW!

She refused the offer of Castleford and Saints this season as well having been to both of those just the once as well, what can I say, she's southern!

I'll sympathise and empathise, so's mine.
Took her to Halifax and the Bevan Stand at Wilderspool, and, erm that was it.
Fer christ's sake, how good a time does a lass want when we were facing relegation ?
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#24 tonyXIII

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE (goudie @ Sep 5 2010, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hiya Bulletproof,
Let's put the shoe on the other foot, and make this a different scenario. what if Widnes had failed to win the Northern rail cup. do you think you still would of gotten into super league. wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif


May I offer an answer?

As bulletproof says, Widnes would have altered their priorities and gained the 'performance criterion' in some other way. They have now, as far as anyone here can see, ticked every single box possible. They might even get an 'A' licence! (Crowds and geography probably mean they won't, but they will be close)

No other Championship club (and one or two SL clubs) come close.

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (goldcard @ Sep 6 2010, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll sympathise and empathise, so's mine.
Took her to Halifax and the Bevan Stand at Wilderspool, and, erm that was it.
Fer christ's sake, how good a time does a lass want when we were facing relegation ?


A bloody sight more than a half of bitter and a packet of crisps!

Were you trying to impress her or get rid of her? wink.gif

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE (tonyXIII @ Sep 6 2010, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A bloody sight more than a half of bitter and a packet of crisps!

Were you trying to impress her or get rid of her? wink.gif

Well... we're still together-ish (live apart, it's complicated) but she wears my ring now,and spends what time she can with me, like all all last weekend, and such like.
Can't even drag her to Wembley even now though, I blame the bats in the Salford game.
I think we're now way way way off topic, and amybe should perhaps shut up...... wink.gif
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#27 tonyXIII

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:28 PM

QUOTE (goldcard @ Sep 6 2010, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well... we're still together-ish (live apart, it's complicated) but she wears my ring now,and spends what time she can with me, like all all last weekend, and such like.
Can't even drag her to Wembley even now though, I blame the bats in the Salford game.
I think we're now way way way off topic, and amybe should perhaps shut up...... wink.gif


Agreed. biggrin.gif

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#28 Terry Mullaney

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (Bulletproof @ Sep 5 2010, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As people have been fondly throwing around in every conversation except ones like these, if we had failed in our first attempt we would have had a different squad for the play offs last year and the league this year.

We have had a plan to get to super league. Our youth was apparently an issue last time. This time, we're the only club really giving youth a go in our division. We have blooded a number of youngsters this season, it's not easy to get the balance right. Other teams have brought in journeymen instead. They already have the experience to win matches. All our first win has done is made sure we could concentrate on the strength of our bid and address the issues we have been given.

Other teams have not been addressing youth.

This is where the licensing system fails.

If what you say is correct then your faithful fans will have been short changed for two seasons. They have been asked to pay the going rate for admission to games when the club deliberately chooses not to provide the best possible value for money entertainment.

To say that only Widnes have gone down the route of giving youth its chance is way off the mark. Hardaker and Smeaton come to mind at Fev for instance, both lads missed by SL clubs despite their superior financial and scouting resources. And at last we have, after a long hard slog, been eventually given the nod to enter a side in the SL academy next season, albeit sadly, through dogged and persistent determination from Daryl Powell having to go to great lengths to prove that Rovers are worthy.

It will be at least five years before Fev are even considered for a SL license even if they dominate the Championship for the duration of that period. The club is run ultra professionally, probably far better than most in our division and some in SL.

Where is the incentive for chairman, Mark Campbell and his colleagues to keep investing their hard earned cash over these forthcoming years into a system which provides no guarantees of reward for their generosity and dedication depite the teams on field successes?

Edited by Terry Mullaney, 05 September 2010 - 11:57 PM.

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Posted 06 September 2010 - 07:58 AM

I agree Terry, but those are the cards we have been dealt in this Division.

It's ok for those Clubs who were already in Super League, they had a head start.

Why do you think Widnes put all it's eggs in one basket in 2007 to gain promotion. Unfortunatly it back fired.

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Posted 06 September 2010 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE (Terry Mullaney @ Sep 6 2010, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If what you say is correct then your faithful fans will have been short changed for two seasons. They have been asked to pay the going rate for admission to games when the club deliberately chooses not to provide the best possible value for money entertainment.


In the statement regarding the financial results at Widnes there's the following quote;
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This has been achieved while continuing to operate up to the Co-operative Championship salary cap limit.


So I don't think we should mistake poor performance on the pitch with a conscious decision not to spend money on the first team if they've been spending up to the cap limit.

Anyhow, back to the topic, we all have our opinions on Barrow's ability to meet the criteria and the ground seems to be the biggest stumbling block and whilst I like it I've heard first hand why others don't. However, theres something about having a Super League team in Cumbria that appeals, for to long Cumbria has been the forgotten heartlands and if any other part of the country had the set up in terms of amateurs, ability to produce Super League standard players etc etc, they'd be a shoe in.

That said, you can't argue that Widnes have a very strong case for also being included which leaves me wondering if we should be bringing up at least a couple of teams or be thinking about expanding the league.

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Posted 06 September 2010 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (Terry Mullaney @ Sep 6 2010, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where is the incentive for chairman, Mark Campbell and his colleagues to keep investing their hard earned cash over these forthcoming years into a system which provides no guarantees of reward for their generosity and dedication depite the teams on field successes?


There is no incentive.

And that is the big problem.


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Posted 06 September 2010 - 04:06 PM

Cumbria has more part timers/ amateurs playing per capita than anywhere in thw world out side of sections of Aussie.

We had SIX Barrovians playing yesterday & if not for injuries would have had more...............

North West Evening MailRaidersNewsRaiders back with a bang to crush Widnes with video
Last updated at 15:11, Monday, 06 September 2010

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TOUCHDOWN: Matt James dives on a loose ball to score a try for Raiders
CRUSHING display from a rejuvenated Barrow Raiders saw them destroy Widnes in the Championship play-offs.

Returning forward Matt James hailed the efforts of a home side who ran out 38-0 winners with a magnificent performance from start to finish.

James, in his first game for more than four months, was one of six Barrow try-scorers in a win that sets up a home clash with Sheffield this week. A brace from Liam Campbell, plus scores from Ned Catic, Liam Harrison, James Coyle and Andy Ballard ensured a complete rout for caretaker coach Dave Clark and his men.

“It was a massive effort from the guys,” said James, who has been out since May with an ankle injury. “Since the last game (the 72-20 defeat by Featherstone) the boys have been training really, really hard and that has shown in the way it has paid off today.

“With the enthusiasm from the guys, it is just easy to come into a team like that, playing with such enthusiasm and desire for each other. We’ve still got a few games to go, but I am thrilled to bits with how it has gone today. We didn’t concede a point, everyone was just working for each other and everyone showed up tonight.”

Barrow had lost their three previous matches – to Dewsbury, Widnes and Featherstone – before yesterday, and James said: “The recent results, they can make or break a team.

“Widnes are no mugs and I don’t think they particularly played badly, we just played really well. It bodes well for the next few rounds.

“We’re not looking to end the season early whatsoever – we want to get through to the final.”

He added: “We have a tight group of players who have really bought into what Dave Clark has brought to the club since he has come back.

“It doesn’t take a genius to realise we have just stuck to what he has told us to do, and that has paid off.

“The players have been really determined to succeed.

“We have shown tonight there is a quality in the team to go anywhere and we don’t fear anybody in the league.”

Edited by mick wilson, 06 September 2010 - 04:12 PM.





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