Phil

You may well stand by every word, but that does not make you right, Indeed, it increases the chances of you being wrong on many other issues, too and certainly reduces your credibility..and you were doing so well.

 

 

Well obviously my credibility with a load of people I've never met is a major issue to me.

sexual abuse crosses class, and status, you don't have to be an establishment figure to be a perv, and you don't have to a kid in a children's home to be a victim.

True but the ruling class looks after it's own they flout the laws they impose on us.

Abortion was illegal, ruling class women booked into private clinics for a "tonsillectomy" and had an abortion, working class women went to a butcher with a coat hanger.

Rich heroin addicts like the Marquis of Blandford went unpunished and lived a healthy life because they could afford good quality heroin, working class addicts end up mainlining granulated battery acid and bleach.

Tax evasion is only worthwhile if you do it massively.

Jimmy Saville and his ilk protected by order of the witch herself.

I stand by every word.

Vanessa Feltz  would turn up at the opening   of an envelope if she thought it would get her picture in the paper.

 

She didn't say anything at the time that the incident was supposed to have occurred. She thus allowed his behaviour to continue for another 18 years.

 

As a result, rightly or wrongly, I think she is fair game for disparagement.

 

and what would your reaction have been if she'd "outed" him straight away? Given that he was, at the time a much loved entertainer, I guess you'd have said something like "Ha Vanessa Feltz, self publicist, she's just me me me"

 

And you wonder why she said nowt?

Despite the talk, Wiggins doesnt seem committed enough to be a grand tour winner again.

Hate him all you want but Lance Armstrong had that hunger and need to win. Whether it was to keep defying the odds, ego, inspiration for other cancer survivors can be debated forever but he had a need that Wiggins doesnt.

Yeah drugs are a terrible thing, that all consuming need

Gerard Conlon imprisoned for 15 years by the British state for a crime he didn't commit.

Crikey I joined TotalRL to post about RL but it seems the forum has been hijacked by Leftist hippies.

You would think that given that your avatar is a Britain First symbol, an extreme right wing fascist grouping. What are you wanting to achieve here?

I know... poisoning with the pill and injection tbf... which is why I'm going to go for it! Just need to come to terms with it myself!

Mate it's not that big a deal procedure wise but yeah talk it over it's pretty much a one stop shop

It's hard to find a claimant or Big Issue seller who's not Rumanian these days, or a Bulgarian, or something

I agree, but you see it week in week out from all clubs. Was never tolerated when I was playing, the slightest word out of turn and you were marched back 10m. Say it again or anything approaching bad language directed at the ref and you were off and usually looking at a long ban.

Exactly so where has this sea change come from?

My old coach said you only say three things to the official

Yes sir, no sir and if necessary sorry sir.

We're on a downward slope here and it needs arresting pdq

What's going on? Why aren't our refs dealing with this? I'd have walked them both

Does it matter how many Scottish, Irish and welsh players have been selected?

The important thing is, those countries would have players in the squad if good enough for selection

 

 

Yes and the fact that JRL are getting international competition. Still there you go, RL fans, always with the ability to see the negative.

His language may be emotive but basically he's right.

Not only NZ though England ru would rather have had links with SA than with the north of England.

I voted out and yes, although I'm an internationalist I also view the EU as a huge, undemocratic capitalist entity.

I don't have to justify anything labour do or say, they don't represent me. They're not a socialist party, but that's another argument for another thread methinks.

Maybe not!!

 

My feelings are primarily motivated by my forty years work in the environmental industry. Environmental legislation has been geared to forcing the UK to change its proven practices, co-disposal, landfill itself, incineration of refuse in small plants, declaring non-hazardous materials to be hazardous, implementing stupid control measures to address climate change etc. Our own Environment Agency and Defra representatives do nothing to put forward any commonsense compromises, in fact they enthusiastically enforce the legislation to the letter of the law and seek to punish industry at every taxable corner. Meantime, all the other EU countries pay lip service or just ignore the pieces of legislation that they don't like.

 

Please don't tell me that Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, the Czech Republic etc are paying £80  tax for for every tonne of household or commercial waste that gets landfilled, or that they class fluorescent light tubes as hazardous waste or that foam from refrigerators is classed as hazardous but exactly the same foam from three-piece suites is not. And the  water from a carpark interceptor tank is hazardous waste, but that from a road gully isn't. And everyone knows that any soil with one gram per tonne of oil in it is a hazardous waste.

 

 

In Yorkshire, a hell of a lot of waste is being shredded and baled before being sent to communal heating plants and power stations in EU countries. Yet the EA has obstructed the construction of similar plants and the use of waste in coal-powered power stations in the UK.  The foreign outlets include include ones in Germany,Norway and Sweden ...  always presented as paragons of environmental efficiency. They must be laughing their socks off at the UK paying them to produce their electricity. Then, of course we buy ours from France.

 

 

Then we come to immigration. I won't belabour the point but we have our own young couples who can't get a council house but whole tribes of EU deadbeats with no great skills, no English language and no chance of getting a job can come in and get one at the drop of a hat. If they don't get a council house, we have to pay exhorbitant rents to private landlords.

 

Bradford has got to cope with 3000 new foreign schoolkids who don't speak English. For each of them there are generally two parents in the same boat.

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I don't care how many people want to sneer at UKIP voters. We've just had enough.

 

 

 a well constructed argument up until this point and then I'm sorry to say it just falls away into the usual, "whole tribes of EU deadbeats"  "with no chance of getting a job can come in and get one at the drop of a hat" ######

 

You've basically ruined a well thought out and cogent argument by launching into a right wing diatribe almost as if you couldn't resist doing it.