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John Drake

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#3129675 Labour leadership contest

Posted by John Drake on Yesterday, 04:27 PM

Do you think politicians can create financial security?


Don't people do that for themselves, unless they are persuaded to act recklessly?


I would have thought that all parties were aiming at broadly the same thing, but politicians can often do far more harm than good, regardless of party.


You can't achieve financial security on a zero hour contract in an economy built on low wages.

#3129628 Sol Mokdad / UAE Rugby League (merged threads)

Posted by John Drake on Yesterday, 03:23 PM

Did we ever find out who "asked" the rfl press not to comment on it? And more pertinently why the spinelessly accepted the request?


Martyn Sadler wrote about the story in his editorial column in League Express on 18th May, and Dave Hadfield writes about it in the current issue of Rugby League World.

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#3128939 The European Union Referendum

Posted by John Drake on 25 May 2015 - 01:27 PM


I don't understand the opposotion to allowing 16-17 year olds to vote in the referendum. It's a huge decision for the country to take, and they are the ones who will have to live longest with the consequences, whatever the outcome. This is a lifetime decision, not something that can be changed in five years like the result of a General Election.


Rather than locking them out of the process it should be used as a way of encouraging young people to engage with politics, and as a forerunner to extending the franchise for all future elections too.


Some will use the argument that not all 16-17 year olds are interested or understand the issues enough to make an informed decision, but that's just patronising nonsense in an age when over a third of those who are currently eligible to vote can't be bothered.

#3124252 Labour leadership contest

Posted by John Drake on 17 May 2015 - 06:58 PM

Time to stop spreading misinformation in the hope that at some point someone will belive your distorted view.


Some might argue that such an approach has proved spectacularly successful for the Conservative Party.


The misleading twaddle they've spouted for many years now about the global financial crash and the recession that followed it being entirely the responsibility of the previous Labour government doesn't stand up to much scrutiny, but it is a lie that has been repeated so often it is now widely accepted as the truth.

#3124227 The European Union Referendum

Posted by John Drake on 17 May 2015 - 06:41 PM

Another spin-off from the General Election thread.


We don't know if David Cameron will achieve his stated aims of renegotiating the UK's terms of membership, or what the actual question in a referendum will be, but hey, that's not gonna stop TRL having a good old discussion about it in the meantime. :)


And just for a bit of fun, we've set up our own poll on the subject, with no room for wishy-washy don't knows or fence-sitters. It's make yer mind up time, are you an innie or an outtie?

#3122708 General Election 2015 - Poll & Discussion Thread

Posted by John Drake on 15 May 2015 - 10:21 AM

You have completely and utterly misunderstood the meaning of that post you replied to. If you find something such as that insulting, good knows how you would feel about something genuinely objectionable.


Paid holidays existed before the trade unions, if the trade unions never existed then there would be plenty of health and safety in the workplace. Indeed most health and safety measures have not been driven from trade unions, the same goes for employment protection, the NHS one is rather ludicrous if the trade unions never existed this would have still happened. Paid holidays existed before trade unions ever existed. The 'paid slave' nonsense is complete nonsense, especially given the historically union members have been obliged to strike and even had to strike under the threat of violence to themselves and their families; that would be equated to slavery or organised crime. For all the things you listed, the biggest contribution to them happening was the country becoming more politically liberal and democratic.


Have you been watching too much Downton Abbey?


The country didn't just become more liberal and democratic by accident, or by benevolent leaders bestowing additional rights on the populace.


Just about every such advance has had to be fought for, and rights once won have to be defended too, or they get taken away.

#3122669 General Election 2015 - Poll & Discussion Thread

Posted by John Drake on 15 May 2015 - 09:06 AM

I would give Arthur Scargill(Trojan) and his mates a wide berth for a while,they are very bitter that their hero/saviour Ed and his cronies have been blitzed by the electorate.

The tories wont be able to do right for doing wrong on here in the next five years

BTW i am not a tory,just anti socialist/labour


Your last line suggests you are the same as those you criticise, unwilling to give a hearing to those with whom you disagree.


No party has the monopoly on good ideas, and no party is entirely right or entirely wrong about everything.


Elections are about choices, and for many, that means choosing the 'least worst' option. Election victory for any side does not automatically shut down debate, so yes, whichever party is in government, they will be criticised and attacked by those who did not vote for them and often by those who did but who disagree with decisions they subsequently take.


Thankfully, we do not live in a one party state and those who disagree with the government of the day are allowed to be critical of it.

#3121971 General Election 2015 - Poll & Discussion Thread

Posted by John Drake on 13 May 2015 - 08:49 AM

Can we just cut out the personal stuff, please.


I know it's six of one and half a dozen of the other usually on here, but it's getting a bit tedious now, and I'm on deadline with the next issue of RLW so less inclined to be tolerant of it!


It's politics. People disagree. But you don't have to call each other names while doing so.


Time to draw a line under it.


Any more of it in here and the person doing it will be suspended from posting until further notice, regardless of who said what to provoke it. Take responsibility for your own behaviour and report any other misdemeanours to the moderators.


Thank you.

#3121036 General Election 2015 - Poll & Discussion Thread

Posted by John Drake on 11 May 2015 - 09:48 AM

Labour (and they are not alone on here), will never understand and accept the reason they lost. Its not about the leadership, its not about party finances. Its about building your whole political philosophy on a failed and discredited foundation. Labour built their whole arrogant campaign on flawed analysis, misrepresentation and hypocricy, with  facile arguments and sound bite policies designed to put right non-existent wrongs and designed to falsely characterise the right as uncaring, selfish and greedy.  They tried to convince the electorate that to be rich you have to rob the poor and so must be punished. They tried to say that the better off were not paying their fair share. There is the deliberate lie at the very heart of Labour (and still parroted on here), claiming that they (and the left in general) are more caring about people, community and lives than anyone who supports any other party.  They tried also to convince the electorate that only the left cares about the NHS, which is arrant nonsense. Repeating that on here ad nauseam does not make it so.


So, an end to this nonsense: a representative selection from over 1950 posts


Trojan: It's not about teams, it's about people's lives, which from this flippant comment you obviously (like you party) don't care about.

Phil: Saintslass answer a question? She can barely formulate one 

Terrywebbisgod: Spoken like a true tory,#### you Jack,I'm allright.

Terrywebbisgod: I'm sure you will be when you can't afford health care. 

 CKN: The reason the big-C conservatives are anathema to the small-c conservatives is that there's a massive difference between being conservative and a profiteer


You bemoan people making sweeping judgements about others, but you then do exactly the same yourself.

#3120323 Disappointed...

Posted by John Drake on 10 May 2015 - 11:04 AM

I definitely think the mods do a good job and it's probably a thankless task, however....
I think the thread should be on here where more people are more likely to see it. (Even if that's not very many). It's surely more than just a bit of cross code name calling.


Ok then. Done.




I don't want to get bogged down in a long argument about it, tbh. Life's too short.


Let's see how it goes.

#3120316 Disappointed...

Posted by John Drake on 10 May 2015 - 10:51 AM

...that a big issue that concerns RL( the arrested thread) has been locked on the main RL forum ! Unbelievable


Only one thing is certain on TRL. Whatever the mods do, someone will moan about it and witter on about censorship or somesuch.


There is a long thread on the cross-code forum on this topic. It is still open.



The one on here was locked because, well, because there is a long thread on the cross-code forum on this topic. That's it. No other reason. No conspiracy of silence, no pro-union plot. Nothing. Just two threads on the same subject, so to save duplication and everyone who wants to discuss it having to post their views twice to try and keep up, we locked the shortest one and left the longest one open. Simple as that.


And given that the issue is clearly a cross-code one, the cross-code forum seems the best place to leave it. If we moved it on here, I can guarantee there would be other people moaning it shouldn't be here because it's a cross-code topic. Rather than have as thread on an important topic like this derailed by people arguing over which bit of the forum it belongs in, how about just sticking to the actual discussion itself. Just a thought.


Whatever we do, as mods, we can't please all the people all the time, however hard we try.

#3120313 Disappointed...

Posted by John Drake on 10 May 2015 - 10:43 AM

Does this forum belong to a company that publishes Rugby Union  publications?


No, it doesn't.

#3119788 General Election 2015 - Poll & Discussion Thread

Posted by John Drake on 09 May 2015 - 01:18 PM

Have you read the Bill of Rights proposal? No? What a surprise.


How DARE the elected majority  govt do what they said that would do and are mandated to do, That's the problem with democracy. It doesn't always give the answers you want.


Reality check time: The majority government won 36.9% of the vote on a 65% turnout. That gives them power under our quirky electoral system, but it does mean there are A LOT of people - a majority, in fact - who DID NOT vote for them and will therefore disagree, often quite strongly, with what they do and any 'mandate' they attempt to claim for it.


That's the thing about democracy. It doesn't just stop after an election.


I'm sure if Labour had won with 36.9% of the vote, those who oppose them wouldn't have just shut up and let them get on with it. Would you, John. ;)

#3117762 8-10 May: Kingstone Press Championship Match Thread

Posted by John Drake on 06 May 2015 - 09:11 AM

Discuss this weekend's Kingstone Press Championship games here.


Sheffield Eagles v Doncaster KO 7.30pm


Dewsbury Rams v Hunslet Hawks KO 3pm
Leigh Centurions v Halifax KO 3pm
London Broncos v Featherstone Rovers KO 3pm
Whitehaven v Bradford Bulls KO 3pm
Workington Town v Batley Bulldogs KO 3pm

#3117142 General Election 2015 - Poll & Discussion Thread

Posted by John Drake on 04 May 2015 - 11:07 PM

I received an email today from Delia Smith trying to get me to vote Labour.  It starts "The reason I have always voted Labour is initially because my parents did." then it goes on about how only a vote for Labour will save the NHS.  Mkay... so where's the pledges to at least match the other parties' investment rather than promising less, by far, than everyone else and blaming the economy for not promising more?
An email where anyone with half a brain would be able to pick the holes in and see why she's waffling rubbish.

All parties draft in celebs to endorse them. It's part of the, er, fun.

But on the serious point as to why Labour isn't promising even more cash for the NHS, it's because if they had, their campaign would have been torn to shreds even more in the right wing press screaming 'how are you going to pay for it!!!!'. The same right wing press that turns a blind eye to Cameron and Osborne relying on the magic money tree for most of their financial promises this campaign.

Rightly or wrongly, after 2010 Labour had a mountain to climb to convince people it could be trusted again with the nations finances. Promising to spend only what they can show they can raise is the sensible way to achieve that. The Tories don't have to do that because their plans will not be scrutinised to the same degree, and all the other parties can say what they like because they won't be called upon to deliver any of what they're promising.