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John Drake

Member Since 10 Nov 2008
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#2984893 Rotherham

Posted by John Drake on Yesterday, 02:05 PM

John, you're a Bradford man.

Care to comment on why the West Yorkshire police doesn't crack down on hundreds of uninsured cars and unqualified drivers in Barkerend and Bradford Moor? Why it lets muslim drivers drive around the city centre every night, switching direction without signalling and talking to each other by having mobile phones pressed to their ears.


I am a Bradford man, born and bred. I have a very different perspective on life to you, for which I am truly grateful.


You have added yet more irrelevance to this debate. Well done.

#2984839 Rotherham

Posted by John Drake on Yesterday, 01:12 PM

My view is that your well-worn personal obsession with The Guardian is a complete red herring in this case.


It merely serves to deliver a modicum of balance, given the  excessive opprobrium  poured on the the Mail by so many posters on here.


Although the circulation and readership of the Guardian is small in comparison with  most other newspapers, the skewed reader demographic makes it disproportionately  influential in certain sectors. The Guardian carries advertising that  is meant to influence the actions of its readers, but somehow that doesn't apply to the editorial, comment, opinion and articles it carries??


Of course, I am sure  L'Ange is right when he writies," From top to bottom they are highly trained, presumably of high calibre. extremely experienced and experts in their field with knowledge and expertise in dealing with the very sharpest end of protecting children at risk, the vilest forms of criminal activity from all sections of the community. These people have failed".


Equally, I am sure he is wrong when he writes "And the reason is supposed to be because they were afraid of being called racist."    No, no. no. no. Not THE reason, ONE reason.


He is also correct when he says, "These people will have had training in equality issues. It was either rubbish training, or they didn't understand it."  but omits to say that "These people will have had training in all aspects of their employment , as directors, managers supervisors or staff. It was either rubbish training, or they didn't understand it."



The Guardian, The Mail, whatever. They have no relevance to this case. None. It is a sideshow, a distraction, a point being well and truly missed, over and over again. It is a disservice to the victims of child abuse to trivialise what has happened in Rotherham in this way. That's my view.

#2984797 Rotherham

Posted by John Drake on Yesterday, 12:25 PM

 Your logic is false and your interpretation wholly wrong. " inference here that anyone who regards themselves as 'left wing' or 'socialist' is somehow an enabler of child abuse."  is a fiction.


My post, as you well know, was in response to these words of Moore in The Guardian: The rightwing likes the cheap thrill of an underclass woman, drunk and showing her knickers, and now blames rape on political correctness gone mad, as though a bit of robust racism is the answer to misogyny. If that is not a socialist exploiting the fate of the unfortunate victims, then I do not know what is. If you want a grown up debate, maybe you should address your words to the Guardian.


My view is that your well-worn personal obsession with The Guardian is a complete red herring in this case.


For every Suzanne Moore, there is an Ann Leslie, for example, scribbling out their alternative viewpoints to the masses, the latter and others like her being read by far more people in papers that sell in the millions, not in the hundreds of thousands.


To suggest that anything written in any newspaper has any relevance to the systematic abuse of children in Rotherham or anywhere else for that matter is both laughable and irresponsible, in my view, as it detracts attention from bringing the real culprits to justice and weeding out those in the police service and the local authority whose dereliction of duty allowed them to get away with it for so long.

#2984060 Rotherham

Posted by John Drake on 28 August 2014 - 03:46 PM

I don't think John is saying that at all. I consider myself to be left wing essentially.

But pretending it was about X Y or Z instead of what it was really about-remember this is hardly the first time this type of thing has happened- is an embarrassing cop out and shows people like Suzanne More up for the hypocritical tossers they really are.


This whole 'Guardianista' pc gone mad schtick is a sideshow.

#2984020 Rotherham

Posted by John Drake on 28 August 2014 - 02:54 PM

Funny how the left wing deniers are now scrambling over the piles of abuse victims in their desire to to show how they've been fighting the good fight over many years. Her comments remain offensive, unjustified, without any foundation whatsoever and I am surprised that you are defending her.

And ah! The magic socialist word "resources" ..is that why the cops treated the victims as trailer trash? Is that why Director after Director, Councillor after Councillor, Senior Manager after Senior Manager refused to engage? No is the answer to that.


It's no more offensive, John, than your inference here that anyone who regards themselves as 'left wing' or 'socialist' is somehow an enabler of child abuse.


If you want a grown up debate, you're not exactly contributing to one at the moment.

#2983419 Scottish Independence Referendum

Posted by John Drake on 27 August 2014 - 03:16 PM

The one thing the Better Together team have done well is make this about Salmond and the SNP rather than Scottish independence.  There are a good few people who short-sightedly may vote No just to spite Salmond but forget that a large part of the reason for the SNP will disappear if the Yes vote wins.  Labour can be Scottish Labour without being tied to the very southern viewpoint of the current Labour cabinet.  The Tories can be Scottish Conservatives, divorce themselves from the toxic legacy of Thatcher and burn any pictures of Cameron and Boris that just wind up Scottish people.  The Lib Dems might even continue with a bit of relevance!  Who knows what the first election after independence would bring and it certainly won't be the same in 10/20/30/50/100 years.


You ask, who knows what would happen after independence. Isn't that the key problem? No one does really know, despite all the political bluster going on. It's quite a gamble, to trust politicians' promises to vote for something you can't change your mind about five years later if it turns out they were spinning you a line or at best being hopelessly optimistic.

#2983222 Kate Bush

Posted by John Drake on 27 August 2014 - 09:01 AM

Must admit the hype around Bush is baffling me a bit ;). I was born in 1978 so her music didn't really register with me barring a couple of the big hits, was she really that big of a star?


Pretty much, yes she was/is. I think I'm right in saying she was the first solo female singer to have a number one hit with a self-penned song, and she was still in her teens at the time. And what a song! Whether you like Wuthering Heights or not, once heard never forgotten.


I think her reclusiveness over the years has only added to her allure. In an age where celebrities will do just about anything to get their faces on TV or in the media, Kate withdrew from that circus a long time ago and has just done her own thing, releasing music how and when she wants.


The reason this tour is such a drawcard is because it is 35 years since she last performed live to a concert audience, and no one imagined she ever would again. It is a genuine surprise, wrapped up in the mystery that until last night, no one knew what the show would be like, which songs she would perform, or how she would sound. No previews, no spoilers, even a request for people to leave their phones and tablets switched off during the show.


Then, after waiting 35 years, she performs the show she wants to perform, leaving out many of her biggest hits, and still has the audience eating out of her hand.


Now that is genuine star quality.

#2982992 The TV Thread

Posted by John Drake on 26 August 2014 - 02:52 PM

Yeah, I loved the 'Girl in the fireplace' episode and thought the clockwork baddies looked familiar. My confusion was the sexy lizard lesbian lady and the sontaron (who last time I looked were an enemy of the Doc) who were strolling around Victorian London without anyone turning a head. 


The Paternoster Gang

#2982974 Kate Bush

Posted by John Drake on 26 August 2014 - 02:17 PM

This evening sees the beginning of the Kate Bush concerts. I read somewhere that one firm of bookies was offering odds on her not completing the 22 nights.

Anyone going?


Sadly not. That is one concert I would definitely like to see.


Kate's first live shows since 1979. Quite an event.


I hope they go well.

#2982958 Empty Seats On The Telly.....

Posted by John Drake on 26 August 2014 - 01:50 PM

When you have the likes of Phil Clark saying lower division clubs shouldn't be allowed to play the big teams in the cup why should the fans be interested in the final. I went to the Hunslet game on Friday and came home


I'll be supporting a lower division club next year, but I'll still be going to Wembley as usual, regardless of which teams are in the final and regardless of what Phil Clarke says about anything. Why? Because the Challenge Cup Final is always a great Rugby League day out and I'm not one for cutting off my nose to spite my face.

#2982120 Empty Seats On The Telly.....

Posted by John Drake on 24 August 2014 - 10:59 AM

There are lots of things that could be done differently, but essentially, the only people who can make a real difference to the empty seats problem at Wembley are those sat at home complaining about them every year.

If you don't normally go, start planning your trip to next year's final right now, and make the difference in reducing the numbers of empty seats yourself. There's loads of time to save up, loads of time to persuade others to join you, you'll get to pick where you want to sit and how much you want to pay (you'll get some good early bird deals as well) and you'll have a great day out at one of our sport's biggest and best showpiece events. Even getting there and back doesn't have to prove that big a deal if you plan it early enough.

I'm not lecturing people from the position of having a media freebie here either. I bought and paid for my own tickets (got £32 tix for £22 on one of the RFL offers several months ago), drove myself and friends down there early yesterday morning, sharing the £40 worth of petrol it cost between 3 of us, took sandwiches to save on food costs, parked up at Hillingdon tube station which cost £2 all day, 23 minute direct tube ride to Wembley Park and there you are. Gentle stroll down Wembley Way enjoying the sights and sounds of Cup Final day and bumping into a few old friends along the way, then into the stadium to watch the curtain raiser with a bucket of tea that cost £2.

There's even now a decent shopping mall right next door to the stadium, with lots of food outlets, even a cinema, for something to do after the game without trekking into Central London.

The Cup Final is what we as Rugby League fans make it. The game itself is almost incidental to that. Some years it will be great, others it might be a bit average, but you can have a great day out at the Cup Final regardless. The players provide the main event, but the fans can lift them to greater heights as well.

So basically what I'm saying is: don't waste energy complaining about empty seats at showpiece events like Wembley, or finding reasons not to go (there will always be reasons not to go if you look hard enough to find them regardless of anything the RFL may or may not do to market it) and don't wait to see which teams get there before deciding to go. Commit yourself to the project now, make sure at the very least your own bum is filling a seat next year, then we'll all have less to complain or fret about when the official attendance is announced.

And the more non-Club Wembley seats we fill between us, the more exciting and unmissable an event our Cup Final will start to appear to those who have, but currently choose not to use, their Club Wembley seats on RL Cup Final day.

#2981738 23/08/14 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers | 3pm | Challenge Cup Final

Posted by John Drake on 23 August 2014 - 01:29 PM

In my seat. Good view, good weather, crowd and atmosphere building. I love Challenge Cup final day at Wembley.

#2979965 What Are You Listening To - The Reckoning

Posted by John Drake on 19 August 2014 - 12:10 PM

No.427 in the list of bands you thought weren't around any more... I was flicking through the vinyl the other day and found my 12" singles of 'IronMasters' and 'Green Fields of France'.


I've been a fan of TMTCH since I saw the video of The Colours on The Chart Show waaaay back when. Heard once, immediate impact. Now that's a song!

They keep splitting up, then getting back together and always kept missing their opportunity for a big breakthrough due to various inter-band mishaps and record company misjudgements.

This new album is to celebrate their 30th anniversary, and it is very, very good. Better than I anticipated, tbh. Pledge Music is great for bands like this, with a small but enthusiastic following, as they can still put new music out and make something back without needing a record company.

I've seen them live twice in the past year and though Cush's voice verges on Dalek on the high notes these days (which the album production smooths over quite well), Swill is still in fine voice. They're still a great night out with a rousing back catalogue; Ironmasters, Green Fields of France, The Colours, The Ghosts of Cable Street (my fave track of theirs), Scarlet Ribbons, Shirt of Blue, Bounty Hunter, Smugglers, Rosettes... I could go on!! :)

#2979387 17/08/14 - London Broncos v Leeds Rhinos KO 3pm

Posted by John Drake on 18 August 2014 - 09:51 AM

A few posts edited and several posts removed altogether to get rid of the personal backbiting and name-calling going on between a handful of forum members who seem to want to bring disputes started on other forums onto this one.

Just let it drop. All of you. This is a discussion about London Broncos v Leeds Rhinos. Nothing more, nothing less. Keep it at that. Keep personal squabbles off this forum.

If you believe someone is trolling, report the trolling posts and let the moderators deal with it. If someone just annoys you personally but isn't breaking our rules, just put them on ignore and do not disrupt an entire thread attempting to win pointless arguments with them.


What has happened on other forums is irrelevant on here. We have our own rules, and our own means of enforcing them if need be.

Thank you.

Now, back to the game!

#2978599 Playing season debate thread (many merged threads)

Posted by John Drake on 17 August 2014 - 08:31 AM

Please keep the playing season debate to this thread, and avoid making personal comments against those whose opinions you don't agree with. It's an emotive topic, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there is no need to get nasty or personal, otherwise you run the risk of your posts being removed.