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  1. Scotland WC

    Scotland and Ireland shouldn’t even be at the World Cup as neither have a professional side. It devalues the competition creating international sides just for the sake of it. i would rather have seen a slimmed down main competition with an Emerging Nations World Cup played as double headers to the main Comp involving genuine development countries such as Serbia, Russia, Ukraine etc who at least have domestic competitions. Scotland and Ireland could have competed for a place via local qualifiers against the likes of Spain, Holland etc. that would do far more for the development of the game than 70 odd point drubbings. and before anyone reminds me about the Scotland performances in the last World Cup and the draw with New Zealand, can I point out that those stand out performances have resulted in no new amateur sides being formed north of the border or any meaningful domestic competition being created
  2. What is the future ?

    I recall one the the major arguments when the CARL league trialed the switch to summer was that youngsters coming into the game had only ever played junior rugby in summer, so playing open age in winter would be alien to them with the result being a huge drop off with these youngsters turning their backs on the game as they are likely seen as being too soft to handle a bit of wind and rain! What I have observed is that as the traditional winter players have gradually retired from playing, it is these youngsters who have only ever played in summer, who are turning their backs on team sports, which is why we are seeing a gradual drop in participation numbers throughout the game. So if it is a generation/social problem rather than a seasonal one, then how do you even begin to tackle it to try and rebuild the game from the bottom up?
  3. What is the future ?

    I was told the arguments came from the clubs for winter and summer, but in the end only 4 clubs voted for winter with the rest opting to remain in summer, so that seems to be the end of that argument. It will be interesting to see if the Cumbria Men's League keeps going now there are no Barrow teams in it, would make more sense to go back to the CARL league with promotion and relegation instead of keeping the Cumbria League for just 6 clubs
  4. What is the future ?

    Don't know, but I'll ask someone who I know attended the meeting
  5. Name 2 things.

    Try rewarding the monthly draw customers with free admission for category B games such as Hemel, Coventry etc. To boost the crowd. most will have a passing interest in Town or they wouldn’t be in the monthly draw to start with. At present the Town Flyer subscribers get nothing at all for their money other than very low odds to win a small cash prize. could also extend this to the above paying a little extra each month and getting a season ticket included plus exclusive admission to one of the bars pre match
  6. Restructuring Super League in 2018-19

    I think its Championship and league one which need sorted out more than Super League at present. Once again with the proposed merger of Oxford and Gloucester, we are left in the embarrassing position of clubs effectively going to the wall within a couple of seasons to join the likes of North Wales, Blackpool, Chorley, Leyland Panthers, Maidstone....... you get the drift!!! League One needs to be restructured as a development league, with the onus on developing the local area and helping form local community clubs with the eventual aim of these clubs having a vibrant local game to pool players from, instead of RFL handouts of 70k per annum to subsidise player's wages! I'm not suggesting for one minute that the likes of Hemel, London Skolars etc. don't do any community work at present, because I know that they do, but the RFL should be looking at ways of bringing in some additional funding via TV revenue to build a structured support network, with the eventual aim of building a local band of volunteers to help and support foundling clubs to realise their full potential within their locality. I'm not just including the new clubs, the traditional clubs such as Workington, Whitehaven, Hunslet etc. need to do so much more within their local community, as those clubs need to be putting more resources into developing their own talent. I would even go as far as saying that any semi-professional club below Championship needs to run its own community club IF there isn't one within an agreed geographical area. Supporters in traditional areas have a habit of turning their noses up at the newer clubs, but how many of you know that there isn't a community side in the town of Workington? There is one in the local villages of Seaton and until recently Clifton, but no amateur side in Workington despite having a population of 35k. All these clubs complain about the lack of 'A' teams, so why not insist that all these clubs run 'amateur' A teams, and play their first team games as double headers each week. Make it clear that you don't get paid to play in these games, so its no different to playing for you local community side, also, if they are short of players for a particular game, then let amateur players turn out as 'guests' - does it really matter if a player chooses to play for his local club on a Saturday and guest for the local semi-pro A team on the Sunday? I'm not sure that expanding the top division when the game has a shrinking player pool is the way to go - consolidation and a development plan would be way forward for me, and no new teams in League One unless they can show they have a development policy to sustain their potential growth such as Manchester Rangers, Hemel, London Skolars etc.
  7. What is the future ?

    Cumbrian Leagues voted to remain in summer last night, which is surprising given the amount of games forfeited this season
  8. What is the future ?

    plenty being said on all of these forums about the state of the game, but nothing being done about it. Now the season has (more or less) finished, then the RFL need petitioned at the earliest opportunity to see what action they propose to take to try and halt the game's decline. This initially must come from the Regional and Conference Management Groups. I fear than nothing will be done until the Super Duper League clubs suddenly look about and realise they don't have any players left in the UK and have to rely on even more second rate and over the hill aussies to bulk up their squads. We are now seeing the results of lack of investment at grassroots - and the problem is going to get worse .....and quickly!! The game is already on life-support and if the people who are running the game at present have no answers to the current problems, then its time for them to move aside and let someone else have a go. Rather than wasting efforts on electronic team sheets, they need to be finding new ways to engage with players to fill the blasted team sheets to start with!!!
  9. Next season....

    I've followed a few of these threads on here of late, some of the comments are laughable, whilst others are laudable. Like them or loathe them, the current Directors of the club are trying to do an impossible job in difficult circumstances whilst trying to find a balance with their own work and family life. You supporters who regularly travel away know that an away trip starts about 10.30am and you get home anywhere from 8.00pm onwards, and its a long, tiring, expensive day out that you do out of choice to have a good session. The directors are traveling to every away game throughout a season sacrificing a lot of family time, whereas if you don't fancy going to the game then you simply don't go! Add to that the stress of trying to run a semi-professional club on a shoestring budget in a sports entertainment environment whose sole business model is based on results - and build into that the added pressure of constant personal (in some cases) criticism on social media - then how many of you people on here would yourselves in that position? I'm not saying they are doing a bad job, neither am I saying they are doing sterling work in running the club, what I will say is that they must be doing it out of a love for the club and the game, otherwise why else put yourself and your family through it! Changes do need to be made, fresh ideas and constructive suggestions to move the club forward are urgently required, but supporters getting involved in public slagging matches, however valid on these forums don't do anyone any good
  10. Reason for decline.

    this has gone way beyond the winter/summer debate. The problem is a shift in social attitudes amongst young people, and a lack of understanding by the RFL (and similar organisations in other sports) as to how to rectify the issues to make the game appealing to a new generation of players. It has been said throughout this thread that the problems faced by RL are also replicated in other team sports, should the affected sports (rugby union, cricket, football, netball etc), not get together as a group to put pressure onto the government to launch an in-depth social study into why youngsters are not keen on taking up team sports? As a sport RL isn't big enough to tackle (no pun intended) these issues as it doesn't have the experience on finances to pull together such an intensive report. I've said before, you can't even start to solve a problem if you don't know what the problem is to start with!
  11. Reason for decline.

    the issue is that nobody knows where to start Thommo, there's an acceptance that the game has a problem and participation numbers are dropping, but its too big an issue for the Cumbrian League officials to sort. Where would you even start? The issues facing the modern game should be tackled by the RFL, not unpaid volunteers on the local management committees, many of whom are aged 65+ who can't relate to someone aged 16-30. The RFL wanted to govern the Community game, but look at how the game has declined under their stewardship!! I'm too young to remember the reason's behind the original split which saw BARLA formed in the first instance, but I believe it was due to the RFL's mismanagement and lack of input which saw the local leagues split from the RFL to form their own organisation in an attempt to stop the serious decline the sport at grassroots was suffering! The game initially boomed under BARLA, and although the game was showing signs of decline before the merger with the RFL, in recent seasons, the speed of decline under the (non) leadership of the RFL is frightening and shows no signs of getting any better! I wonder what support and help (if any at all) was offered to the traditional clubs who have folded in recent weeks, or any efforts to find out why these clubs can't fill 13 shirts to take the field on a Saturday?
  12. Reason for decline.

    In fairness there's been a huge shift in social attitudes to sport and socialising in general, especially in the last 10-15 years and a lot of it is to do with pub licensing laws. If you are aged 40+, then the chances are when you started playing open age rugby, the pubs still shut at 3.00pm on a Saturday afternoon, so the only place you could get a drink on a Saturday afternoon was at a rugby club, or in a lock in at the local pub, so that was where you went with your mates to hang out. Fast forward 10 years, pubs no longer have to shut at 11.30pm, nightclubs can stay open until 6-7am and you now see the under 30's getting loaded up on drink in houses before hitting the town centre at We are also in the midst of a generation of players who were at school when the government at the time basically stopped secondary school competitive sports and after school games in lots of schools up and down the country. The 'participation over winning' mentality has produced a generation of couch potatoes!! What worries me is the seemingly lack of any attempt by the RFL to identify 'how and if' this worrying trend can be reversed. The finger of blame could also be pointed at the shift in seasons to summer rugby, but I remember the game was suffering with participation numbers dropping in winter, so would it make that big a difference in the bigger scheme of things?? One thing I have seen in summer, is the lack of a structured fixture list, with games being rearranged to midweek at very short notice, which has resulted in spectators losing interest. I personally was all for the switch to summer, on paper it all made perfect sense, but I would now favour a return to winter, for no other reason that to bring some stability back into the game. The lack of floodlights at the majority of clubs means that games have to be played at 2.30pm on a Saturday, so players 'where possible' know exactly where they stand in relation to work, shifts, holidays etc. I would also move the 16's competition to winter as well, as they have important exams from with mocks and GCSE exams after christmas, so its unfair to drag those young players out in January/February/March for preseason training when they need to be concentrating of school exams, as they are so much more important than when the majority of us on this forum left school. The rest of the juniors I would leave in summer. You would think that someone on the Community Board would read these forums and report back to the RFL about the concerns within the game - maybe Nigel Wood can give up 1/3 of his annual salary to employ 3 people specifically to get off their backsides and engage with people to try and find the root of the problems the game faces - what a gesture of intent that would be!!
  13. Where do we go from here?

    unfortunately pretty much the professional game would be bankrupt without Sky TV money and I can't see Town, Haven or Barrow being any different. At League one and Championship level, clubs would almost certainly be insolvent without RL central funding. Do the likes of Gloucester, Oxford and Hemel playing in front of crowds of less than 200 add anymore value to the game than the likes of Wath Brow, Kells and Egremont who are playing at a similar level skill wise in front of comparable crowds? The difference between those clubs is the amateurs generate income through their own clubhouses and also produce their own players via their youth sections. I'm pretty sure if they were given a 75k handout each season, then they would spend it rather more wisely than blowing it on average players salaries. Something is sadly wrong in the game at present, and I can't remember interest within Allerdale being as low as it is now. Its maybe just me having a selective nostalgic memory, but I watch Super League and I don't think the standard is anywhere close to what it was 25 years ago, and why aren't we producing any household names anymore. A few years ago, most general sports lovers would recognise the names of Martin Offiah, Shaun Edwards, Andy Gregory and Jonathan Davies, but today, even RL followers would probably struggle to name more than a couple of current SL players. The sustainability of semi-professional rugby league in West Cumbria is a contentious subject, both clubs require substantial investment in both stadium infrastructure and playing budget, but both are unable to generate enough income to sustain what they have now which seriously limits long term planning.
  14. Elland ARLFC

    Nothing is going to change until the RFLs hand is forced to admit There's a problem. cumbrian rugby league is on its backside, certainly in Allerdale, and we all read of similar problems throughout the country, so why are the powers that be not listening! has the time come for the regional leagues to issue a vote of no confidence in the RFLs management of the game and threaten to breakaway and form their own organisation to specifically look after the amateur game? it might be a reinvention of BARLA, but the threat of losing Sport England funding might be the catalyst to get the RFL to listen to the community clubs and take some action
  15. Playing season debate thread (many merged threads)

    My worry is that the RFL don't know where to start. First of all the have to admit the switch to summer hasn't worked, which would mean eating a lot of humble pie. secondly they have to demonstrate a willingness to listen and change the way the game is ran at amateur level, which involves a tremendous amount of leg work and communication with players, clubs, officials and also find some way to engage with players who have dropped out of the sport in the last five years. the borough of Allerdale, once a bastion of RL participation in Cumbria is in real danger of imploding. maryport dropped out of the league at the beginning of this season, Glasson, Seaton, Flimby and Broughton have all failed to fulfil fixtures this season. Workington, despite being the sole professional club has no amateur RL in the town at all, the closest being in the village of Seaton. there are only 4 U12 sides in the West Cumbria Youth League, so where are the players of the future going to come from? these issues are mirrored up and down the county, so why are we hearing nothing from Red Hall. Are they so blinkered that they can't see the state the game is in? the game is sadly lacking leadership, and something needs to happen quickly or the damage will be irreversible (if it isn't already)