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  1. The TWP Effect

    For London the crowd potential is there but you have to remember that there is a continually moving population and it takes quite a time to get from a-b no matter where the club is based. You have ex pat northerners, aussies and kiwis who are not necessarily in London for life so want to make the most of the time they have down there. For the local population or those that do make London their home there are the normal pressures on weekends with family etc + even to get to a home game you are looking at almost a 2 hour home trip for most. What crowds tend to show is that there is initial excitement (even in the 30s that was the case, they were good crowds even compared to the north) because people get to see the teams they have known and loved.. but are you getting the locals along or even the ex pats to take London as "their team"? For me the 2 keys to it being a long term success that really captures the imagination are: 1. An Event: you have to make this something that people are prepared to give up a weekend for, give up hours of their family time for, give up going to a different event or in many case give up going to travel to another part of the country for. 2. A period of real success: this will take money and cannot be a flash in the pan. If they get continued success for a period of time you can grow that attachment to a club.Melbourne show to an extent what happens as people want to be involved in success. The same can be shown even in football, success brings people out of the woodwork and encourages people not even from the area to support you, equally as clubs drop through the pyramid you see people start to turn their back on the team. Therefore a good period of success needs to be had to really bring people out. Both of these things can be applied to almost anywhere, Sheffield is the same the Challenge Cup was the catalyst but then it needed a period of time where the was continued success to really build on it, but we all know what happened there. Equally with the idea of "An event" I have been saying for weeks that the first game for Eagles at the new ground at the OLP should have always been Toronto as it makes people in the City stand up and have a look, London was a good second to that but the weather did for that and Toronto was on Mothers Day which didnt help... but a first game against Halifax or Leigh was not going to be easy to market to the wider city. This is the same in London so the idea of better names and bigger cities I do believe to be true but that is a much harder thing to sort out in the short term.. Just my twopenneth though
  2. Gareth O’Brien off to Toronto

    i'd have him back at the Eagles
  3. Gareth O’Brien off to Toronto

    Sorry but there are no licences.. there is P&R so there is no licence fee to be owed by anyone.. if we go to franchises or licencing then I wouldnt disagree with you and I look forward to the RFL charging everyone to join.. Cover all costs of travel I do understand but you cannot ask them to pay a fee if you do not ask anyone else.. and there is P&R and no ringfencing of teams so are we looking at full special measures for Toronto which they arent even asking for?
  4. Gareth O’Brien off to Toronto

    Hang on.. They are told that they have to come up through P&R like everyone else... now they have to pay to get into Super League (unlike everyone else).. plus they have to not take any TV money from the Sky Contract which means that everyone else pockets more cash as the TV contract is now split 11 ways not 12... how on earth does any of that make any sort of sense?? And why does any of this have to "help" the existing SL clubs (this will btw) but if it was Hunslet (just picking one) that got a bit of cash and came up.. what exactly are they doing to "help" the existing SL clubs.. they arent adding a new pool of players that doesnt already exist, they are not adding a tv contract or anything... TWP being in Super League should help everyone in the most simplistic terms that an NA audience is now open to watching SL that may not have been before and a TV deal in a new part of the world may be possible.. and that is without looking in more depth at anything else! surely they should be treated fairly and like everyone else which is either: They either pay to get in and are handed a place in Super League that is ringfenced AND they take the same money as everyone else OR They have to come up through the same system as everyone else and then get given everything that everyone else also gets, but equally all the added extras they bring (an extended TV deal to NA) are added to the pot (or treated like Les Cats if they are treated differently ie no Sky Money but get all the French TV money)
  5. I would agree with you... offense should only be taken by those that the "joke" or "jibe" is aimed at really... however, it does show the thought process and judgement of the person making them.. I certainly wouldnt take offense to what he said (as it wasnt aimed at me) but for someone who is a Councillor and has to represent people etc I would be offended by the fact he "represented" me and that he had such poor judgment in his position to go on and post this sort of thing. Yes its like someone drunkenly shouting at a TV in a pub but I would equally say he has poor judgment if he was doing that to be honest. IMHO he is doing the right thing as it shows a lack of judgement (especially when he has been told before) but I dont really see people getting offended as a few on here feel.
  6. ok lets have the game in the UK... oh no thats too far.. so we'll have it in Sydney so Super League clubs get p*ssy and dont want it to happen for the same reasons.. ffs only in RL could this sort of line of argument really happen about something that could benefit everyone hugely!
  7. Micky Higham back playing

    so often great players just go that one season too far... i was worried about Danny McGuire doing that this season compared to Rob Burrow just saying enough is enough... hope this isnt the case as always been a big Higham fan
  8. 1. yes sorry i thought i had put in "European", I certainly meant to, but didn't obviously.. sorry. Yes the European one had loads of different rules throughout northern Europe but then started to codify (as an outdoor sport) during the late 19th century within countries and then as international competitions became more common it codified further.. with the indoor version growing in popularity later in the 20th century (i would guess for very obvious very cold reasons in very cold countries). The outdoor version was in the Olympics in the 1936 (a big sport in Germany) but did not then reappear until the indoor version was included in the 1972 Olympics (again in Germany). I played 5s at school, good game, but yes you're right that it has been held back with its lack of codification potentially but think that is as much down to the Public Schools being Public Schools and saying that they want to keep something a bit different (bit like rackets and squash staying apart etc). Almost as if they said "we lost control of our style of football but we can at least keep hold and control of our slightly strange court based sports!" 2. yes sounds similar, I am not that up on GAA as i am other sports at the time (my degree had quite a lot to do with sport in the late 19th and early 20th centuries but more around UK sport). 3. yes didn't want to go too long on all the socio-economic stuff but the 2 you mention are very important and the Victorians did love to formalise things and codify but that wasn't just in the UK it was a general time period. With industrialisation etc people were looking at structure around what you did. There was also a drive to try and keep people out of the pub (ironic bearing in mind that a huge number of teams then formed and used pubs for the base of operation) and movements like Owenism were all about control of the workforce, keeping them on the straight and narrow, muscular Christianity etc which all drove towards healthy body, healthy mind, healthy workforce. There were also workforce teams where the industrialists felt that you could develop a "pride" in the place you work, or were at least happy for people to organise on their behalf as they saw this as a benefit, it was also a way for one owner to get one over on another owner, friend or competitor, on a playing field too, and equally this rivalry then saw the start of a "professionalism" that RU continued on up until 1995 where "jobs for the boys" were found for good players. 4. there was, for a while, a possibility of an accord and a change of heart from the RFU or from NU clubs too. But then with the law changes, and the reasoning for many of them which was about entertainment as much as anything, it continually rubbed the RFU's noses in the fact that they were professionalising and developing the sport based on money which is where the RFU were sticking their feet in, let along they felt they had been "snubbed" by the northern upstarts. By the turn of the century really the new sport was born and was either going to sink or swim, it was unlikely that the RFU would have re accepted the breakaway clubs back into the fold en-masse (and especially the more vocal and "rable rousing" of them) even if they grovelled as the RFU were a spiteful bunch at the time and they would rather have seen them all go to the wall than take them back. For me 1895 was the formation of a different sport simply because of the attitude of the RFU, not because it was a distinctly different sport, but because there was no way back for them. The odd one could slink back with their tail between their legs but there were a set of clubs that would never be allowed back so this sport had to work for them and had to be developed for them.
  9. I believe, but maybe one of those stories that is no longer true (like welshmen being shot if out after dark in Chester type of thing) that football is still technically banned on the streets of Derby due to a bye law passed in the 19th century as the game played there got so violent people were killed.
  10. yes absolutely... i always enjoy the irony that the FA banned it first yet it is more frowned upon to trip someone up in Rugby than it is in football
  11. African cup of nations springs to mind too..
  12. erm no... all they have done is reinforced the rules that have been set for the "international break" and pointed out that just because it is in America those rules still apply. In other sports fines get dished out if you withdraw players without proper medical grounds for international breaks they are just making sure the message has got across. I am weary about outside promoters after seeing what has happened in the past.. however, we have a history of not being able to organise a ###### up in a brewery as a sport so screw it let someone else organise it. The fact an outside promoter is organising it does not mean the players have more chance of getting injured than they would if this were held in woolongong or anywhere else in the world.. so the above doesnt matter the same rules apply if they get compo they still get compo if they dont then they still dont.. good on the NZRL and the RFL for getting this going along with the promoters.. exciting times
  13. interesting the difference between this thread and the ones on the Super League... you'd be seeing "you cant just abandon Newtown Jets" or the like otherwise.. its refreshing
  14. Paul Rowley

    I always get the feeling he cant do it when it matters.. but like many teams you need to lose one to win one... as long as he is learning from the errors and the years he has had in coaching I think he could do well and do well in Super League too.. He may just have the luxury that others havent in that he can perhaps buy his way out of a bit of trouble (or as much as you can in RL)... therefore give himself some breathing space if they get to Super League so that he can find his style there without the pressure that others may have who get promoted on a limited budget.
  15. this sort of rubbish from the BBC does get my goat.. they do some fantastic work and some brilliant historical documentaries and even some of their slightly "mistier" docu dramas are very good so why as a corporation do they let such lazy journalism stand! its frustrating! As has been mentioned its not about inventing the game its about codifying the rules, there is evidence of "football" all over the world of some format or another, with differing rules. No one can lay claim to "inventing" any of them they just codified the laws from one area and over time incorporated other rules that they liked to develop the game. Sheffield and Cambridge often lay claim to the foundation of codified football, Rugby lays claim to the codified version of Rugby but it was and is Rugby Football for a reason. As they pushed the boundaries of who they played outwards they absorbed some rules from other towns and cities and they dropped some of their own (hacking, the ability to call a mark in football etc). around the world they did the same for their own reasons, including making it more interesting for spectators, and hence you get loads of different styles of ostensibly the same game.. getting a ball from one end of a field to the other to score points.. no one "invented it"!!! Even FIFA acknowledge that there is some evidence of "football" in ancient China, some of it with similar rules to Rugby. The UK codified a lot of rules during the 1800s because of a number of Socio Economic factors including (but not exhaustively) the growth of universities bringing together public school boys from different schools who all had their own distinct games, the movement of those university graduates to different cities and so needing to bring together different sets of uni rules, people from rural areas with their own games moving into the towns and cities needing some form of official set of rules to be able to play against each other, growth of the Empire so you can take a game with you and play it while there as those going out there under the GB banner were from different parts of the country and all had their different local rules and so on and so forth. This is not the sole preserve of the UK of course, the same things can be said of games like Handball that has its origins in Rome and versions in different parts of northern Europe, this started to codify late in the 19th century too, it has continued to evolve as every sport does but that is when it codified. the mid to late 19th century was where the greatest growth in codifying sport came as it was a time that "the world got a lot smaller". Ironically for this article RL is rare (but not unique) in that there is a distinct "thats enough I'm off" moment but you cant put a date on it as after the split tensions rumbled and the idea of coming back together was there for some time, much like the FA and Football League or Cricket as it "turned professional". There was no real date in which they decided "we must change to be completely different" it just emerged to be so. Its lazy journalism simplifying far too much what is actually a really interesting time in history.