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I've actually done a lot of reading into this in the past. There doesn't seem to be one definitive reason as to why people shortern the name. Essentially a port existed on the river before a large settlement did, the port was set up by the monks of Meaux Abbey, the ruins of which are just to the north of the current city. So from the start people were calling this area the Port of Hull because that is what it was. However, during Edward I's wars against Scotland he needed a port in the North to land all his equipment for the campaigns and chose the Port of Hull to do this. Due to this use, Edward I changed the name of the settlement that had grown up to serve the port, Kingston in reference to its royal connection. This is the point where it officially became Kingston, just over 700 years ago. The newly named Kingston will of course had the 'upon Hull' bit added to distinguish it from other places named Kingston. It's probable people kept referring to the settlement simply as the Port of Hull or just Hull because they were talking about the port and not the town that went with the port simply because if you were coming to the town in the past it was almost certainly some business you had at the port. The main reason for the shortening to Hull seems to stem back to the civil war when the war was initially plotted in Hull and some of the first actions took place here when Charles I was refused entry to the city to get to his arsenal. The city was very staunchly parliamentarian and the citizens will not have wanted their city to have been referred to as a King's Town and so they informally dropped the Kingston part as an act of protest against the monarchy. The city's name in official charters was not changed though, it was, and still is, Kingston upon Hull, just informally and unofficially called Hull. So to sum up, it is called Kingston upon Hull because it was named this by Edward I in about 1299. It is referred to as Hull to distinguish it from other Kingstons and as a sign of protest from the mid 17th century when the city fought against the monarchy.

Same. Don't know what his problem is. If he isn't interested he could just scroll past. Given the likes I've received for my the explanations of my disgust it seems there are some of us that are interested in a bit of local history. Maybe my simple explanations were just a bit too complicated for him to comprehend..... As I'm sure you understand, I was merely pointing out that a quiz show had accepted an incorrect answer and that as a result I found the quality of said quiz poor. Similarly, if they had a question like, 'UK cities with the letter V or C in them' I would like to think they would accept Brighton and Hove and City of London say. Just because we almost always say, simply Brighton or London does not make them the official names of the places. But hey, we'll just ignore facts and knowledge in favour of general ignorance.....

I hate knowledge too.

Exactly, there are plenty of places that informally adapt their names, Hull isn't unique in this sense, it's maybe just a little different in that they drop the first part of the name and not the last but of course I've given reasons for that above. I should add a little more context as well. The town that grew up with the port in the 12th century was called Wyke. It was the town of Wyke that was renamed Kingston, there has never ever been a town here officially called Hull. You still occasionally see the Wyke name referenced in things like the rugby league team, Hull Wyke and the sixth-form college, Wyke College. You see the official Kingston name is things such as the telecoms company Kingston Communications, or KCOM as it is these days.

Northampton and Southampton were both originally called Hampton and added their geographic bits on later to distinguish them from each other. Haverfordwest and Hereford were both, at the time, called the same in English so one got the West on the end. (I have a feeling that locals do just call it Haverford). I used to know a whole bunch more of these but it turns out you occasionally need to replace useless knowledge with kids' timetables and the like ...

I am not happy. I'm watching Pointless celebrities and the question is UK cities starting with one of the letters of HOLBY. A contestant says Hull which is of course incorrect as the city is Kingston-upon-Hull but the answer is accepted. This is literally wrong! Just because the city is almost always called Hull does not mean that is the official name, there is nothing official about calling the city Hull, its just a shortened version of the name like saying Wakey or Donny or something like that. They are essentially saying you could call Burton on Trent, Trent or Richmond upon Thames, Thames or somewhere else like that. The worst thing about it is Richard, I love myself who do you love?, Osman didn't even address that it is technically incorrect, they just acted like Kingston-upon-Hull is called Hull. My God, this is supposed to be the BBC's flagship quiz show, I have literally lost all respect for the programme, what little respect I had left anyway. I am very annoyed.

It also works with sausage meat, especially if you mix it with pre-fried onions, mushrooms, pancetta chunks etc., for texture. I nicked the general idea from a Rick Stein recipe for Parmentier de Canard, where the bottom later is the meat from confit duck legs.

Yep, we've stumbled on a great game here! Maybe you should start a specific thread for this so we can leave the sofa surfers to their television related discussions.

I've now been sent down a rabbit hole in which it appears that there isn't actually a country called France. There is "République française" which is more commonly known as France but ... Loving this.

An example I thought of almost immediately (though not actually correct now) is what Rhode Island used to be called until just a few months ago. What I mean is, in November 2020, the people of Rhode Island voted to amend the name of the state. Before that it was officially called, Rhode Island and the Providence Plantations. They have now changed the name to, State of Rhode Island. I suppose this is still relevant because the, 'State of' bit is still going to almost always be dropped in everyday conversation just like, 'the Providence Plantations' was. This is why the general public are always ignorant as to why Rhode Island is named as such. The providence plantations are the mainland part of the state which people think of. Rhode Island is an actual island off the coast which is also part of the state. Its understandable that people shortened the name of the state in casual conversation. Similarly, its only like us Brits telling people we are from Britain or the UK. I'm not gonna tell someone I'm from, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland every bloody time I have to mention the country when there is a way of them understanding what I mean with a shortened version. This does not mean the country is suddenly called Britain. You've got me thinking if there is any other places with universally accepted shortened names as well. Might be hard to think because we know the places by the shortened name and so may not be aware of the longer, official and correct name.

Actually Kingston, Jamaica was renamed Kingston in honour of the monarchy, it was originally called Beeston after one of the 17th century Governors of the colony.

love your location on your avatar though

Words like that are enough to get you selected for Scotland. Oops wrong thread, thought this was the international eligibility one

Ok, we've gone waaaay off topic, but I just want to say, regarding Lebanon vs France, I clearly remember watching this match. I was disappointed they did not have an English referee for this match. Gerard Sutton, was very comfortable and on a nickname basis with most of the "Lebanese" (Aussie) players and was very much talking to them as though they were mates. Whereas with the French, he was very "short" with them, who were already struggling with him a bit given the language barrier. It was a close game and I feel an English ref would have definitely been a more neutral option in this case. France are going slow and steady and they will get better over time. I know they are in a tough group with England and Samoa at the World Cup, but I do expect them to put up a hell of a fight.

It's probably a bit of early Spring romance. However, if it is raining heavily. your owl will be silent. Well, it will be too wet to woo!

Got a great close up view of a redwing in a hedge by the roadside as I was heading up the hill to Skidby yesterday.

Saw the Geese flying v the other day. Surreal site.

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