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Not everyone's cup of tea, so do feel free to tune out at any time, but...

Bassetlaw Bulldogs (bassetlawbulldogs.co.uk) , in Nottinghamshire are starting their first all-girl RL team at the club this season, at the U12 age group. This spans the Y6 (end of Primary School) and Y7 (Start of Secondary) age groups with a hope of finding a niche in the local sports scene. There doesn't seem to be many all-girl teams across the sports in the area and it is hoped that the first attempts will be successful.

Who they will play is another matter. Time will tell, but feel free to follow the journey here.

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11 hours ago, Northern Eel said:

Not everyone's cup of tea, so do feel free to tune out at any time, but...

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Why the caveat? Most things aren`t "everyone`s cup of tea".

Reminiscent of the precautionary guidance from announcers on the BBC World Service when they informed listeners that John Peel was on the way with his "er... very distinctive and ...er, ...er, individual choice of music". At times, it verged on advice to switch off and return later when the danger had passed.

I`m pretty certain Bolsover Bulls had a girls` team a few years ago. They must have played in one of the East divisions.

There used to be a definitive list of girls` clubs on the RFL website. But I can`t find it now. That site is getting worse.

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On 13/01/2022 at 20:28, Northern Eel said:

Not everyone's cup of tea, so do feel free to tune out at any time, but...

Bassetlaw Bulldogs (bassetlawbulldogs.co.uk) , in Nottinghamshire are starting their first all-girl RL team at the club this season, at the U12 age group. This spans the Y6 (end of Primary School) and Y7 (Start of Secondary) age groups with a hope of finding a niche in the local sports scene. There doesn't seem to be many all-girl teams across the sports in the area and it is hoped that the first attempts will be successful.

Who they will play is another matter. Time will tell, but feel free to follow the journey here.

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Not really true to say "There doesn't seem to be many all-girl teams across the sports in the area", Mansfield and Newark Union clubs have u11,13,15 & 18 girls teams. 

 

I know because the Mansfield u18 team were runners up in the Union National Girls cup in 2019

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8 hours ago, SSoutherner said:

Not really true to say "There doesn't seem to be many all-girl teams across the sports in the area", Mansfield and Newark Union clubs have u11,13,15 & 18 girls teams. 

 

I know because the Mansfield u18 team were runners up in the Union National Girls cup in 2019

I was thinking more about the club’s natural catchment of Retford and Worksop, to be fair.

Newark and Mansfield are 25-30 minute drives.  Two RU clubs that distance away doesn’t provide much evidence of ‘many’ all girl teams in our vicinity, I’d say, but I appreciate you’re challenging the semantics. 

I’ve no interest in union, so don’t know the landscape of the area, but a quick Google of club websites and chats with folk who play doesn’t show anything relating to girls teams more locally.

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23 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Why the caveat? Most things aren`t "everyone`s cup of tea".

Reminiscent of the precautionary guidance from announcers on the BBC World Service when they informed listeners that John Peel was on the way with his "er... very distinctive and ...er, ...er, individual choice of music". At times, it verged on advice to switch off and return later when the danger had passed.

I`m pretty certain Bolsover Bulls had a girls` team a few years ago. They must have played in one of the East divisions.

There used to be a definitive list of girls` clubs on the RFL website. But I can`t find it now. That site is getting worse.

Just pre-empting negativity - which isn't often too far away. You're absolutely right, a caveat probably isn't necessary on this one.

Hopefully, Bolsover will have some girls teams again. I think the one/ones they previously had were perhaps U14 or U15, something like that, but not last year as far as I know.

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6 hours ago, Northern Eel said:

Hopefully, Bolsover will have some girls teams again. I think the one/ones they previously had were perhaps U14 or U15, something like that, but not last year as far as I know.

There`s obviously little chance of a distinct East Midlands Girls RL competition for the foreseeable future. A team from Bassetlaw or Bolsover will have to play in a Yorkshire division.

The flip side of all the extra character-building travel for an outpost club is that they can become a hub for a wider area if they generate initial interest and then establish a good reputation for developing players.

Whitley Bay Barbarians are a lot further away from the heartlands, yet managed to have over a hundred players in their female section pre-Covid. And several who came through their system were playing in WSL last year, 3 at Leeds and 3 at Huddersfield.

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On 15/01/2022 at 21:52, Northern Eel said:

Just pre-empting negativity - which isn't often too far away. You're absolutely right, a caveat probably isn't necessary on this one.

Hopefully, Bolsover will have some girls teams again. I think the one/ones they previously had were perhaps U14 or U15, something like that, but not last year as far as I know.

I feel the same way about a negative undercurrent some have toward the women’s game. I said a little while back there’s a future in women’s pro RL. One said he didn’t think so and not one reply of support for the possibility. 

I think many see the women’s game as the pc thing to promote but with no real chance of it ever being financially viable. That undercurrent can make one preemptively defensive when discussing it but unfortunately that only adds to the perception that it’s a nice idea but….

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They need to sort it as currently decent talent leaves league for union

 

Look at Abi Burton of Wasps and GB 7's, she is from Castleford, daughter of Danny Burton and her brothers are/were in Rhino's academy. I have seen her training girls at Union wearing a Tigers shirt 

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On 17/01/2022 at 09:21, RayCee said:

I feel the same way about a negative undercurrent some have toward the women’s game. I said a little while back there’s a future in women’s pro RL. One said he didn’t think so and not one reply of support for the possibility. 

I think many see the women’s game as the pc thing to promote but with no real chance of it ever being financially viable. That undercurrent can make one preemptively defensive when discussing it but unfortunately that only adds to the perception that it’s a nice idea but….

 Ray I too was sceptical about the ability of women`s sports ability to pay for itself and feared that it could become a financial drain on the thing that earns the most money i.e. the men`s competitions. European soccer may be be able to afford that but down here where we are in a battle with other codes where every dollar counts and attracting and developing the best talent may determine who wins out in the long-run.

Given time to reflect on this I have adjusted my thinking somewhat. Firstly having seen the ability of women`s tennis and golf to co-exist with the men`s has made me realise there can be a market for both, with both having different attractions. Ladies sport should not be viewed as just the 4th or 5th best level of men`s, but with highly skilled participants has its` own attractions.

The other thing that dawned on me is that we are only at the tip of the iceberg with women`s sports participation. Without wanting to get too deep we`ve really had 2000 years of women being told to know their place and personal characteristics like submissiveness and an exaggerated form of femininity being valued above all else. These attitudes won`t disappear overnight. Women however do seem to be shaking off these shackles and antiquated notions of what it is to be a woman and as this spreads through the greater female population we are going to see vast more numbers of females participating in all forms of sport and not just the ones that were deemed appropriate for females to play in the past.

The upshot of all this if you are a young girl who enjoys the physicality of a body-contact sport in the future there will be no barriers from participating in it and this brings me back to my point I`m beginning to think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg with female participation in contact sports. As this grows and is taken more seriously and is professionalised and talent developed to the nth degree there will be no reason why these competitions won`t be as gripping and attractive to watch in their own way as any men`s competition.

 

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On 21/01/2022 at 09:48, The Rocket said:

 Ray I too was sceptical about the ability of women`s sports ability to pay for itself and feared that it could become a financial drain on the thing that earns the most money i.e. the men`s competitions. European soccer may be be able to afford that but down here where we are in a battle with other codes where every dollar counts and attracting and developing the best talent may determine who wins out in the long-run.

Given time to reflect on this I have adjusted my thinking somewhat. Firstly having seen the ability of women`s tennis and golf to co-exist with the men`s has made me realise there can be a market for both, with both having different attractions. Ladies sport should not be viewed as just the 4th or 5th best level of men`s, but with highly skilled participants has its` own attractions.

The other thing that dawned on me is that we are only at the tip of the iceberg with women`s sports participation. Without wanting to get too deep we`ve really had 2000 years of women being told to know their place and personal characteristics like submissiveness and an exaggerated form of femininity being valued above all else. These attitudes won`t disappear overnight. Women however do seem to be shaking off these shackles and antiquated notions of what it is to be a woman and as this spreads through the greater female population we are going to see vast more numbers of females participating in all forms of sport and not just the ones that were deemed appropriate for females to play in the past.

The upshot of all this if you are a young girl who enjoys the physicality of a body-contact sport in the future there will be no barriers from participating in it and this brings me back to my point I`m beginning to think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg with female participation in contact sports. As this grows and is taken more seriously and is professionalised and talent developed to the nth degree there will be no reason why these competitions won`t be as gripping and attractive to watch in their own way as any men`s competition.

 

Well put Rocket.

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