Widnes

[Batley Bob]

 

[Keep The Faith]

We’ll get beat by 16

no leak 

we are the second worst scoring team In the league 

 

[phildog]

On paper and league position we're 2nd favourite. If the Doncaster and York team turns up, then it'll be right. If the team who turned up v Wakey twice, Sheffield twice, Bulls and over at Widnes, then don't be surprised if Widnes go home disappointed.

[BullyXL]

On 28/08/2024 at 18:33, Keep The Faith said:

We’ll get beat by 16

no leak 

we are the second worst scoring team In the league 

 

Doom and gloom again! 2 of the 3 statements may be true but atleast have some faith in the lads. If we had gone all season un beaten and only won by a DG in each game, we would be the worst scoring team in the league, but still unbeaten! As long as we out score our opponents on the day does it matter be how much? Oh, and I'll say this, as unpopular as it may be, but Leaky has been rusty and no where near his best since coming back from the long lay off.

[The scrim reaper]

If we play like we did last week we will lose! If we play like we played at widnes we will win! Problem is ye never know which team is going to turn up! If we go down hill first half we will need at least 20 on the board at half time to be in with a shout but like ktf says we don't score many points! 

Edited August 30 by The scrim reaper

[Keep The Faith]

4 hours ago, BullyXL said:

Doom and gloom again! 2 of the 3 statements may be true but atleast have some faith in the lads. If we had gone all season un beaten and only won by a DG in each game, we would be the worst scoring team in the league, but still unbeaten! As long as we out score our opponents on the day does it matter be how much? Oh, and I'll say this, as unpopular as it may be, but Leaky has been rusty and no where near his best since coming back from the long lay off.

Are you kidding leaky is up there for me every week 

maybe we have been spoilt over the past 3/4 years where we have thrown the ball about and scored some wonderful tries, I’m a realist when it comes to watching us and having spoken to 3/4 neutral people over the week who have watched us play this year they have said Sunday was one of our worst performances of the season 

[Batley Bob]

 

[phildog]

We'll miss Leaky if only for the upsurge in energy he brings when he comes on. I'd disageee about him being less of a player after his time out as well. Is he out now because of the injury or was it deemed high enough for HIA protocol? I'm more concerned about having to rely on 2 returned retirees rather than the Gibbons' of the team. I guess they're not too happy, are they a recruitment error or works in progress, even though they both came from SL environments? IMO we should also have brought Rhodes back by now, get him up and running here in case we're going to offer him another year.

[phildog]

Widnes were nothing special, we didn't do enough to turn them over, simple as that. We had nothing on attack, had enough ball, enough possession but it was a case of ah Ben, have you met Josh or Browny, do you know Manu? We were fragmented and didn't pull anything out of the bag. That said, we got caned on dubious penalties and their 2nd try was passed to a player who had over-run the move and was offside, not even a forward pass, it was that clear and a massive error on behalf of the touchjudge not to have called it. We weren't good enough to win it but neither were Widnes.

[BullyXL]

Butterworth going off, not to return, did us today. We score alot of our points on the shift plays where half-backs link up and fullback chimes in. He also returns well from the back. We moved a wing to FB, centre to wing, right 2nd row to left centre, bench middle to right 2nd row. No wonder we lost shape! Plus as has been mentioned, ref Worsley did us over (again) today.

[phildog]

I don't think it was shape loss as much as going away from plans and a loss of connection. Burton did cut in like a full back should, nobody, even out of position, shirked anything, it was just that nobody sparked and 1 spark more than what Widnes had would have taken the points. Great Gilmore fan, sponsored him when here, it was pretty clear that he had his best 2 years here.

[Keep The Faith]

We lacked a spark maybe even a firework 

yes Robbie going off didn’t help but what if it would of been a half or something differently it’s all swings and roundabouts… we had enough chances to win the game 3 times over 

the defence was cracking but didn’t score anything like we have in the past 

there’s a reason we are the minus points difference 

[The scrim reaper]

6-2 half time everybody happy surely we are in with a good chance! Me still sceptical! I was talking to a widnes fan he asked me what I thought I said not sure we never seem to score a lot of points going down hill, at yet again we were absolutely clueless it was woods, and white, giving the ball to anyone here's the ball see what you can do, why doesn't woods give us all a surprise once in a while and take the line on once a game would be nice! Going down hill nobody ever heard of a 40/20, we had plenty sets just meters out from the opposing line, and yet  time after  time props and forwards  stood still collecting the ball just trying to barge over! the only time anyone ran at the line( Flynn) we scored, I say it every week we miss Hooley when he's not available on the wrap around when we are attacking it's the only time we look like scoring! Are the coaches not capable of coming up with anything else? Widnes where there for the taking today and yet again not for the first time this year we lose out due poor game management and lack of ideas! 

Edited September 2 by The scrim reaper

[9' oller]

Maybe the lingard wrap around or any fb adopting the move is now policed more. Teams have had a good 20 years to notice it in game prep....

[phildog]

Agree, if we had another game plan we might catch teams off guard. With our remaining games and central funding in the melting pot there's a need now to stay at least in the league position we are. That means at least beating Doncaster and we need a different approach. Someone mentioned stood-still forwards, yet the one who does run on to the ball is now apparently no longer in the coach's plans (we know who). Agree also about kickers not playing our field along with 5th tackle kicking being too deep preventing a challenge and often being aimless.

[Keep The Faith]

3 hours ago, 9' oller said:

Maybe the lingard wrap around or any fb adopting the move is now policed more. Teams have had a good 20 years to notice it in game prep....

It’s not the Lingard move we put, it’s the way the full back comes into the line like every team does it 

[LINNERS]

2 hours ago, Keep The Faith said:

It’s not the Lingard move we put, it’s the way the full back comes into the line like every team does it 

It might not be the Lingard move to everyone else, but it certainly is to us.

[seen it before]

Fullback plays a massive role for all attacking options in the modern game 

 

Our full back / winger tried his best yesterday  but didnt have the timing needed when linking in the line .

Hard fought game ,we didnt look dangerous but neither did they , sometimes you have to credit defenses. 

[9' oller]

I think since gillmore moved on the responsibility on woods has been too much. It's not as though he' s a hard seasoned half with limited days like Ben black tiger Handforth. 

Gareth Moore what are you up to- re build next year

[Keep The Faith]

13 minutes ago, 9' oller said:

I think since gillmore moved on the responsibility on woods has been too much. It's not as though he' s a hard seasoned half with limited days like Ben black tiger Handforth. 

Gareth Moore what are you up to- re build next year

Really? He’s been one of our better players this year 

can tell you haven’t seen us other the odd YouTube highlights 

[Keep The Faith]

2 hours ago, LINNERS said:

It might not be the Lingard move to everyone else, but it certainly is to us.

The Lingard move was the inside ball from a scrum move we haven’t done that in the last 15/16 years 

[phildog]

Robbie immediately passed his HIA, said he'll be available, Leaky will complete his before next week. We'd have won yesterday with Leaky in, I have no doubt. That's not bringing down Oli, who never lets us down but by the same token never has chance to solidify his game being a bit part player, how much longer he'll be happy playing that role, I wouldn't like to think. A complete rethink on attack required for next week.

Edited September 2 by phildog

[9' oller]

2 hours ago, Keep The Faith said:

Really? He’s been one of our better players this year 

can tell you haven’t seen us other the odd YouTube highlights 

Woods at 7?! Perhaps he's the reason very little gets scored then 

[Keep The Faith]

30 minutes ago, 9' oller said:

Woods at 7?! Perhaps he's the reason very little gets scored then 

Won more than games thanks to Josh on one leg… 

 

 

[phildog]

I have to say that as much as I agree with those backing Josh Woods, I don't think we've had as much out of him as he threw at us in a couple of games against us for Newcastle. However, that could also be down to the different type of game we play which doesn't have the free runners for him to either play off or to play to. He's won us games to a) put us in contention for the playoffs last time and b) to keep us away from being basement this time. He's done as well as we required in either circumstance, I'd be happier if he stayed than left.