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#3014940 Lord Freud

Posted by Griff9of13 on 16 October 2014 - 11:53 AM

The idea that politicians of any political persuasion who express their views should resign is in my view nonsense.

If this guy has really said anything out of order (and I have not really followed the story as I doubt there has been any honest reporting)the Cameron should point the finger and say the magic words "you're fired!"


Indeed. It should be up to the electorate to decide Lord Freud's political future at the next general election. Oh, hang on. <_<

#3014251 Red card - Good publicity ?

Posted by Griff9of13 on 15 October 2014 - 09:27 AM

Not all good publicity it would seem: Ben Flower punch on Lance Hohaia was malicious and sociopathic – so why did the police not act at Old Trafford?
Piece by Paul Hayward, Chief Sports Writer.
A thinly veiled attack on rugby league form a writer who would normally not go within a mile of writing about the sport. May I draw your attention to this in particular:

Rugby union offers greater potential for sneaky stuff in scrum, ruck and maul: eyes gouged, testicles twisted. But the generally honest machismo evident in League – some of it fuelled by anabolic steroids – has placed it at the nexus of guilty pleasure and thuggery.

I wonder if the RFL will take him up on that and ask him if he can provide any evidence that this is the case?

#3014040 Ben Flower banned for 6 months

Posted by Griff9of13 on 14 October 2014 - 06:46 PM

The good news as far as I'm concerned is the swift no nonsense way it's been handled by the RFL. Credit also to Wigan for their simple acceptance of the verdict and especially to Saints for their statement tonight and the dignity they have displayed over the last few days.

#3013868 11/10/14 - SLGF: St Helens v Wigan Warriors KO 6pm (TV)

Posted by Griff9of13 on 14 October 2014 - 02:36 PM

Nice try mate but if anyone believes that ,they are not of this world altogether.


I have always admired the way SW has got his players up for games, and i am anything but a Wigan hater, but that shows our game in the very worst light possible. For me that is worse than the Flower incident because Flower can at least claim some provocation.  I'm sure SW will get some ear ache from the Wigan owner, and rightly so, You will never ,ever convince Joe public that what SW was doing there was the equivalent of saying to an acter " break a leg ".


At some point in his career every coach of every team in super league, including the one you support, will have given a very similar dressing room talk.

#3013679 Red card - Good publicity ?

Posted by Griff9of13 on 14 October 2014 - 10:09 AM

In answer to the question in the OP, it may be more in how the incident is dealt with as much as the incident itself.


For me these are the positives we can take from it so far:

The referee acted swiftly and decisively on the spot to dismiss Flower. There was no histrionics from players of either side to try and influence his decision making.
The remaining players from both sides immediately and without question accepted his decision.

Flower walked without even glancing at ref.

The game resumed and was played in reasonably good spirits with no further recriminations from players or spectators.

At the end of the game the Wigan and Saints players mixed and congratulated one another in the usual good spirits. Saints, deservedly, celebrated their win and Wigan quietly left them to get on with it. (this, and those above are nothing less than I'd expect from our game in any circumstances, but maybe should be contrasted with other sports)

Wigan and Flower issue a comprehensive apology as soon as is practically possible. This apology contains no excuses or attempt to mitigate any disciplinary action that will follow.

The RFL announce the charges to be brought and when the disciplinary hearing will be held. Demonstrating that the game of rugby league has a transparent disciplinary process.

Lance Hohaia makes a statement to say there are no hard feelings. Saints say publicly they have no desire to press criminal charges.

The whole fuss being made about this clearly shows that this sort of thing is far from common in the sport of rugby league.

#3013631 UKIPpery

Posted by Griff9of13 on 14 October 2014 - 08:50 AM


Oh dear. Seems he can't tell the difference between "saying it like it is" and being a misogynistic, racist old duffer.

#3012824 2015 Election debates

Posted by Griff9of13 on 13 October 2014 - 09:30 AM

When Scottish nationalists, Plaid Cymru and the Ulster Unionists begin polling and getting votes across the UK then I would expect them to be invited...


And the Green Party? They currently have just the same number of MPs as UKIP (and not just a re-elected standing MP who defected from another party) and control of a council, but never get a mention. 

#3012817 Ben Flower Sending Off / Reaction / Apology (merged threads)

Posted by Griff9of13 on 13 October 2014 - 09:21 AM

Two things I don't agree with in all this:


  1. Getting the law involved. I don't think it’s good for the game and its image, and I also believe it would set a dangerous precedent. I don't think it’s wise to apply the “Saturday night outside a pub analogy” to what happens on a sporting pitch, especially to a high impact, high speed collision sport such as rugby league. Using that analogy even the fairest of tackles, well within the laws of the game if committed outside a rugby match would land you in court for assault. If all parties concerned are happy for the incident and punishment to be dealt with by the RFL than that should be that.                                                
  2. Wigan should sack Flower. I honestly don't see the benefit of this to the player, the club or the sport. The net result would be he would be signed by another Super League club, and every chance by one of the clubs supported by the very people calling for him to be sacked, where he will immediately no doubt be forgiven for his previous indiscretion by those fans who were previously calling for his head.

#3012769 Ben Flower Sending Off / Reaction / Apology (merged threads)

Posted by Griff9of13 on 13 October 2014 - 08:09 AM

So, overall there are two view points.


1. The second punch on Hohaia while he was lying barely aware on the floor was completely unacceptable.  Hohaia had been wrong to overreact by shoving a forearm in the tackle.  Had Flower not reacted, Hohaia should have got a yellow card, as it is Flowers decided it was up to him and not the ref.  The first punch is something that is part of the game, the second punch brought it to a level rarely seem.  The police may get involved, but with Flowers previous good character there is absolutely no way gaol should be considered.

- Broadly the view of 95% of people


2. Hohaia started it by retaliating.  He got away with it too and spent the rest of the game playing bingo.  He deserved to be punched while lying on the floor, anyone would have done the same - except Flowers tried not too and I know as I have a telepathic link.  Everyone who thinks viewpoint 1 has not seen the episode and they should stop insisting he goes to gaol.

- The of a small minority of particularly stupid Wigan fans.


Who is to know which view point is correct?  I guess it is just a matter of opinion.


Can you please help me out here? Can you put up a link to the posts where people have said "He deserved to be punched while lying on the floor, anyone would have done the same" because I've read through all the threads on the subject and seem to have missed those. Many thanks. 

#3012749 Congratulations St.Helens

Posted by Griff9of13 on 13 October 2014 - 07:49 AM

Yes, I'd like to reiterate what I said in the match thread immediately after the game; well done Saints and your supporters. A thoroughly deserved win. Met my Saints supporting mate later on that night and he was still wearing a grin that was splitting his face in two. I was genuinely pleased for him, all those disappointing losses of the years must be hard to bear. Well done Saints.


Praise must also go to the remaining Wigan players who never gave up the cause. For a young, relatively inexperienced team I thought it a fantastic effort. 

#3012739 Liverpool win Super League title

Posted by Griff9of13 on 13 October 2014 - 07:35 AM

I don't know, for anyone from St Helens, evens being a scouser represents a step up.


Says a man from a place where rolling a piece of cheese down a hill and running after it is seen as the height of sophistication. :rolleyes:

#3012309 Ben Flower Sending Off / Reaction / Apology (merged threads)

Posted by Griff9of13 on 12 October 2014 - 02:38 PM

Good on Flower and Wigan for issuing a quick and concise statement. Not sure what else they could be expected to do at this stage.

#3012175 Ben Flower Sending Off / Reaction / Apology (merged threads)

Posted by Griff9of13 on 12 October 2014 - 11:02 AM

accidental i can assure you it was not intended

Cheers. No problem.

#3011789 11/10/14 - SLGF: St Helens v Wigan Warriors KO 6pm (TV)

Posted by Griff9of13 on 11 October 2014 - 06:58 PM

Well done Saints. Always going to be an up hill struggle after the, thoroughly deserved, sending off. Enjoy your day.

#3011636 11/10/14 - SLGF: St Helens v Wigan Warriors KO 6pm (TV)

Posted by Griff9of13 on 11 October 2014 - 05:09 PM

Flower to serve a long ban for hitting a prone man on the floor.

Yep. And I don't think you'll find many people willing to defend him. Terrible.