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#3272165 The NHS Debate (Merged threads)

Posted by gingerjon on Today, 12:00 PM

We're now at 13/20 who say that they explicitly do not support contract imposition.  Only 1/20 has said he'd support it and he actually wrote the letter...  The other six I can see why they'd want to keep their heads down, for example Clare Panniker is being currently reviewed as part of the Essex Success Regime that's been imposed on the area she services.


One Chief Exec posted on twitter what he signed and nowhere on it does it say that he'd support contract imposition.


Now, these are the Chief Execs who are natural supporters of the Tory plans otherwise they'd have stayed completely neutral, instead Hunt and Dalton have gone out of their way to annoy them so badly that they're making public rebuttals.  A great way to keep your friends friendly!


I'm with you on this by the way. In my role as a high powered (temporary) dynamic executive I've co-signed a few letters and the collective *always* sees the final draft.  We might not know the second it's going out or exactly where it's going - though we could find out at any point - but the rule is it's got our name on (and our organisation) so it's going to be something we agree with.


Now, it's possible that it's a minion who didn't keep everyone in the loop as late changes were made.  That has happened once or twice - but has been picked up and apologised for.  But if it isn't then it's actually a fairly huge deal and, at the very least, Hunt will have lost the trust of people who were his allies in this fight - and at the worst he's deliberately and knowingly misled parliament and public and should step down.

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#3271509 The NHS Debate (Merged threads)

Posted by gingerjon on Yesterday, 12:40 PM

Oh look, he found a cut and paste button.

#3271368 The NHS Debate (Merged threads)

Posted by gingerjon on Yesterday, 09:03 AM

You should be pleased, I only have limited access.


So that's where you are.

#3270995 Those nice tories

Posted by gingerjon on 10 February 2016 - 11:10 AM

Won't someone think of the whatabout children?

#3269625 Obituary Thread 2016

Posted by gingerjon on 07 February 2016 - 07:54 PM

Maybe not what this thread is for, but my Dad passed away this afternoon following a very short illness.

Rest in peace Dad, love you xx


As others have said. Your dad deserves his place on here. Condolences.

#3267292 More great news Talksport and Talksport2 to broadcast live games

Posted by gingerjon on 04 February 2016 - 11:16 AM

Great news....as long as we're still on bbc radio too?


Sports Extra has commentary on Leeds v Wire tonight so unless it's a last minute swoop we're safe.



#3267062 EU Referendum

Posted by gingerjon on 03 February 2016 - 08:33 PM


People who said the SNP was living in cuckoo land for believing they'd have all the good and none of the bad once they got independence are now saying a separated UK will enjoy all EU benefits with no downside having left.

#3266942 Zika Disease

Posted by gingerjon on 03 February 2016 - 05:21 PM

For me all these warnings about this Zika disease are OTT, same as Ebola was. It seems we cant do anything, but just live in fear of such things. After a few months, we hear nothing and its like these mega killing diseases, are seemingly not as bad as made out. Cant say I believe the media/doctors hysteria,  going on past history.


The Ebola outbreak that's still not over and that has killed between 12,000 and 20,000 people.  The number being so low because of a, albeit belated, coordinated, well-resourced international response.  That one?

#3266740 How to get away with (attempted) murder?

Posted by gingerjon on 03 February 2016 - 12:09 PM

Basically, if the loopholes that were allowed to stand in motoring cases were applied to the rest of the law then nobody would ever be found guilty of anything.

#3266230 2016 four nations venues

Posted by gingerjon on 02 February 2016 - 01:05 PM

Plus football doesn't poach our best talent and coaches.


Football poaches virtually all the best young athletes in the country.  It takes from cricket, union and the rest.  It takes our sponsors and supporters.


But most league fans like soccer (because virtually everyone in England likes soccer) and so decide that it's not an issue.

#3265510 Jeremy Corbyn & the Labour Party

Posted by gingerjon on 01 February 2016 - 09:51 AM

These firms don't make any profits in the UK. An example of getting round it is say Amazon make £2b profit in the UK they set up another company based in say the caymans who then charge Amazon UK £2b for consultancy work. Hey presto Amazon UK make zero profits


Odd isn't it?  Apparently we're to nod and see nothing wrong with money and business going global and ignoring borders no matter what issues it causes ... but when people try the same thing ...

#3263971 Best Daily Mail letter ever?

Posted by gingerjon on 29 January 2016 - 01:39 PM


#3263879 Jeremy Corbyn & the Labour Party

Posted by gingerjon on 29 January 2016 - 11:08 AM

Anyone know what the collective term is for migrants / immigrants then ?


People?  Human beings?

#3263876 Rain, rain and more rain

Posted by gingerjon on 29 January 2016 - 11:07 AM

Cameron was on the local news tonight accusing Tim Farron of being "churlish" for having the temerity to point that out publicly. The implication being that northerners should know their place and be grateful for any scraps that may be allowed to fall from the table.


Eastbourne got £2m of public money to repair a pier.  Cameron announced it personally.


Lib Dem / Tory marginal that.  Can't think why they'd be getting the same amount of money for one, non-essential, thing.  I'll have to look into it.

#3263804 The NHS Debate (Merged threads)

Posted by gingerjon on 29 January 2016 - 08:56 AM

Our town has 7 pharmacies. 2 on the outskirts and 5 in the town centre, an equilateral triangle with sides 250m would cover them all.
1 in the health centre.
1 large independent
1 small independent that does deliveries
1 Boots
1 Lloyds
All of these will receive NHS funds? So are not technically independent?
The health centre and Boots are generally the busiest, though I've never been in the Lloyds. The Boots appears to be gossip HQ.
The large independent (which I use) with its homely, salt of the earth, non corporate, we're here to help attitude, has a defect with its pricing machine for non prescription goods that sees it adding a premium over and above what I can pay in other shops in town.

What diagnostic training do the pharmacists have? Is it a full medical type or a science degree with some extra pharmaceutical training?

What diagnostic training do their technicians have?

Do they have to abide with doctor/patient confidentiality rules?

Will the £170m stay within the NHS or will it go back to the Treasury? That's the actual issue here, not the doomsday scenario of people queueing out of the doors at Boots to have their clearly broken arm examined by a 17 year old trainee, who's also on the make up counter.
"efficiency savings" aren't cuts, unless the money saved is removed from the system completely. Is the £20bn achievable? Who knows, I imagine in an organisation as massive and complicated as the NHS then it's probably worth having a look.
Though in my experience (efficiency savings every year in targets) the savings become more and more time based, so harder to put a monetary value on, but we somehow do.

Apparently hand transplants are now going to be available on the NHS, that'll be cheap.


I do like how the most ignorant shout the loudest.


*sets to ignore*