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#2986583 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 01 September 2014 - 01:25 PM

So nothing to do with him being a guardian reader and liberal lefty, them. Phew, that's a relief!!!!


I'm sure people who do nothing to prevent child abuse read many different papers and come from all sides of the political spectrum.

#2986497 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 01 September 2014 - 11:33 AM

I wonder why McShane didn't do enough. Any idea?


I've always found him a deeply unpleasant and self-serving character.  I imagine that has quite a lot to do with it.

#2985338 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 30 August 2014 - 08:34 AM

Yes let's bring in another red herring. What has the Catholic church got to do with this case?


I think it's that priests are allowed to drive uninsured.

#2984892 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 29 August 2014 - 02:05 PM

John, you're a Bradford man.

Care to comment on why the West Yorkshire police doesn't crack down on hundreds of uninsured cars and unqualified drivers in Barkerend and Bradford Moor? Why it lets muslim drivers drive around the city centre every night, switching direction without signalling and talking to each other by having mobile phones pressed to their ears.


The police don't police the roads any more.  It may be worse amongst dusty people in Bradford - I've no idea - but if you want to have a chat on your phone and swap lanes without indicating whilst driving an insured car, go ahead.  The chances of anything serious happening to you are slight.


And don't worry if you are caught.  The punishments are a joke - and you won't get the maximum anyway.

#2984657 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 29 August 2014 - 10:09 AM

Not scared of racism, but of being accused of racism.


And the one thing we know is that if they hadn't been scared of being accused of racism, the number of children who were abused would have been substantially reduced.


We don't know that at all, sadly.  If there is one thing we do know it's that children in care - and other vulnerable children in the 'system' - get abused.  A lot.  By individuals.  But also by groups and gangs who prey on them.  Not all the gangs are Asian, not all the victims are white.  We know it happens but very little is done to stop it.


There is no guarantee whatsoever that if this had been a white gang the abuse would have been exposed earlier.

#2984636 Be afraid, VERY afraid

Posted by gingerjon on 29 August 2014 - 09:49 AM



The current pope has been cleaning shop quite effectively. 


How many child abusers has the Roman Catholic church offered up to the secular authorities to face justice here on earth?

#2984000 World Rugby

Posted by gingerjon on 28 August 2014 - 02:37 PM

IRB (like FIFA, ICC etc) sounds quite authoritative to me.  'World Rugby' sounds like a magazine programme on Sky. 

#2983994 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 28 August 2014 - 02:31 PM

Oh yes, she's a good 'un...right on message!


Yes, hiding away race like this:


"The report on Rotherham is clear-eyed about who targeted the girls: men of Pakistani and Kashmiri descent, working in gangs to rape and torture girls. The men called the girls "white trash", but white girls were not their only victims. They also abused women in their own community who had pressure put on them never to name names.

Certain journalists, including Julie Bindel, have been covering this story for years and have never shied away from describing the men's ethnic origin. Ethnicity is a factor but there is also a shared assumption beneath the police inaction and the council workers' negligence: all of them deemed the girls worthless. The police described them as "undesirables" while knowing they were indeed "desired" by both Pakistani and white men for sex. They were never seen as children at all, but as somehow unrapeable, capable of consensual sex with five men at the age of 11."


How dare a Guardian columnist point out that places like Rotherham need more resources not less - and that poor children need greater empathy and support - if something like this is genuinely never to happen again.

#2983742 The TV Thread

Posted by gingerjon on 28 August 2014 - 08:56 AM

Anyway, I have found an actual current TV programme although, as is traditional, I am so far behind the curve as to be untrue.


Cuckoo, now apparently in its 2nd series, is making me laugh rather a lot.

#2983645 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 28 August 2014 - 06:31 AM

If it were down to race and cultural background then there would be no sexual abuse by anybody other than Asian men grooming girls in northern cities.  Unfortunately it is a lot more complicated than that.  As a headline I've just seen has it, "Wherever we look for sexual abuse we find it."  Another comment piece, not one I agree with, points out the relative hypocrisy of screaming that there must be something about Asian culture that makes them sex offenders whilst cheering the return of an unrepentant rapist back to the football fold.


But race, and race relations, has played a part in what has happened in Rotherham.  We have a social services set up that seemingly cares more about voting Ukip than about systemic child abuse.  That doesn't happen out of nowhere.  There are racist groups all the time howling anti Muslim rhetoric and blaming every ill on multiculturalism, and looking, in some cases, to actively ferment race war.  It's understandable, if wrong-headed, to react to yet more allegations by assuming that there is a racist element.  Hopefully those charged with looking after children and young people will toughen up in future.


Although should they raid the home of a well-loved entertainer they can still expect the full fury of the Daily Mail classes.  Middle class white people don't rape or abuse.


Except when they do, of course.

#2983640 Football

Posted by gingerjon on 28 August 2014 - 06:15 AM

#2982982 Rotherham

Posted by gingerjon on 26 August 2014 - 02:25 PM

So people get away with abusing children cos they're celebrities and other people get away with abusing children because staff don't want to create awkward situations about race.


The scale here is shocking.  So many people must have known and did nothing.


Including, it appears, the current South Yorkshire Police Commissioner.

#2981303 Middle east violence

Posted by gingerjon on 22 August 2014 - 09:14 AM

Any legislation would have to be framed to take account of the sort of situations you outline.


But it shouldn't be impossible to hit the targets we are aiming at.

Agreed.  But I'd be wary of badly-written rushed legislation.

#2980861 Racism, American style

Posted by gingerjon on 21 August 2014 - 09:36 AM

Racism in America you say?


#2980166 What can we do to increase attendances?

Posted by gingerjon on 19 August 2014 - 08:11 PM

So London have become a mess because of next year's new structure?


Why do people blatantly make nonsense up to support their point.


Plenty of people have said London have failed because of the complacency of licencing.


That's horsewaste too.


London are failing because they have been led over the precipice by morons.