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#3036517 Summer/Winter debate

Posted by bowes on 23 November 2014 - 05:45 PM

Once there was a considerable summer switch, the RFL no longer needed the development officers

Nothing to do with playing season they just unfortunately coincided. It is to do with the Sport England cuts that are based on decreased participation over the last few years of winter, which meant the RFL could no longer afford them. The game outside the heartlands' decline is exclusively down to the removal of development officers (as there's no season switch to factor in).


Summer hasn't expanded the game but the vast majority of clubs switching back to winter have been wiped out by it, so a return to winter would be the final nail in the coffin rather than a solution. The game needs to consolidate its resources into one governing body and one playing season and consolidate struggling clubs into fewer, much stronger clubs

#3033414 Time for another NZ NRL team?

Posted by bowes on 15 November 2014 - 09:16 PM

I think the problem is rugby league in New Zealand is very Auckland centric and there's no real need for 2 clubs there. Wellington would be the next best bet though, but the game isn't nearly as strong there

#3031607 Wrl annual report

Posted by bowes on 12 November 2014 - 08:07 AM

They've withdrawn funding from expansion areas in England that showed even more promise than Wales already.

#3026275 France should be in four nations

Posted by bowes on 03 November 2014 - 12:12 PM

I was meaning at professional level. A visit to the Samoan RL website talks about the Four Nations and the respective QLD and NSW Samoans. The link to domestic competition is dead. Island sides in Australian/NZ second tier competitions is definitely a way forward.

Fiji does have a semi professional league and a set up vastly ahead of Wales's.

#3026202 France should be in four nations

Posted by bowes on 03 November 2014 - 11:08 AM

Agree with the rationale that France should be in the four nations.

Perhaps a solution would be to have a competition that is exclusively for nations that have their own domestic competition at semi-professional level and above. The difference between France and Wales, and Ireland and Scotland is that the latter two almost exclusively pull their players from those that qualify from northern England. I don't intend that to be a slight on Scotland's achievement at all.

If you built a competition that was made up of:

New Zealand

Then you have a good 6-team competition. You could always treat these as permanent members (ie. countries with their own domestic competition), with European and Pacific winners qualifying to make up 8 (eg. + Scotland and Samoa). Not sure about the format though; two pools of 3/4? A Super Group/Qualifying Group combination? Regardless, such a competition would reward teams that invest in home-grown players, and also allow such players to compete at the highest level. It also provides a competition that is of a scale that France, Wales or NZ (and, one day, PNG) could aspire to hosting outright.

There will be blow-outs, yes - and possibly for years - but there will also be competitive games - France v PNG v Wales could be very competitive. As with all things rugby league, it takes patience, and patience is normally in short supply in this game. If there was the commitment given that the RU authorities have shown to Italy and Argentina - longevity of competition, confirmation of a calendar etc. then it would come. A higher profile international competition may incentivise the domestic RL authorities in the emerging nations to commit to performance teams as there will be an element of return and investment forthcoming on a regular basis.

The problem with that is Wales, France and PNG are rubbish on the field but Fiji and Samoa are far more competitive against the big 3

#3024414 Fairy Tales

Posted by bowes on 01 November 2014 - 09:14 PM

Toulouse making the Challenge Cup semi finals is another.

#3022050 Pennine League strcuture

Posted by bowes on 28 October 2014 - 06:32 PM

Just to let you know bowes, at the end of last season the players at thornhill we asked by their committee if they wanted to apply for the NCL and to a man they all voted no. This was for a variety of reasons.

That's your decision at the end of the day. It's still my opinion that you'd be welcomed in if you ever changed your mind

#3020422 Wales RL News

Posted by bowes on 25 October 2014 - 09:16 PM

In an ideal world I'd agree but I just don't think the game has the money to fund SL clubs in those areas given how low the fan base is. I hope to see North Wales Crusaders back up into the Championship as that provides a path for many players though, same with London Broncos, I don't see South Wales Scorpions playing at that level sadly. I was a big supporter of having London in SL but the last few years of Broncos at that level were embarrassing. League 1 expansion is very beneficial and small to medium sized towns and cities in the midlands and south seem to take to the game more that throwing all the eggs in the London and Wales baskets

#3016733 Canadian team apply to join Championship 1 (merged threads)

Posted by bowes on 20 October 2014 - 08:32 AM

and it's taken until 2014 for that to happen despite the grunts of 'therduntwannernaw' from the 'heartlands'.
It's bit of an indictment that having teams from these parts of the country playing in the lowest pro competition is something to boast about.

Totally pathetic. Why should the people working hard to expand the game be ashamed just because they didn't do it sooner? It seems you don't value sustainable expansion just nonsensical overambitious ideas doomed to failure

#3016532 Canadian team apply to join Championship 1 (merged threads)

Posted by bowes on 19 October 2014 - 07:50 PM

Rugby League - beset by small time thinking since 1896. We had Welsh and London clubs involved way back when but we consciously made life difficult for them because it cost too much to go there and they brought too few fans. We had Yugoslavia and Italy and we didn't nurture them. We pander to the loudest naysayers and create a league structured to appease them rather than boldly seeking to spread the game. The rugby league family can be a unit that makes anyone outside the immediate circle feel quite unwelcome. We either decide to prioritise growth or manage the decline into a kind of clog-wearing shinty for pit villages.

All that expansion is at risk if we go for obscene ideas like expanding low level semi-professional leagues full of development clubs into intercontinental leagues that clearly on any objective level arent sustainable. It's not for nothing other sports regionalise their game at that level even within this country. The expansion at semi-professional level is ticking along nicely and the last thing the game needs is for it to be ruined by some nonsense idea that will clearly not be viable. It's basic common sense that this sort of plan can't work but some people are so desperate to see expansion they buy into all kinds of nonsense ideas. Catalans in Super League was always going to work, Crusaders never was but this is just so far beyond rational it's not even true

#3011173 By-election round up

Posted by bowes on 10 October 2014 - 03:11 PM

Farage has not said that. He says people with HIV should not be allowed into the country.

He's right
- it must cost the NHS millions to treat the ones we've already got.
- the migrants with HIV probably won't do any work anyway.
- why should taxpayers pay for foreigners' diseases.

Yeah I genuinely don't get why any would have an issue with that policy. Really don't see why we should import ill people

#3011121 By-election round up

Posted by bowes on 10 October 2014 - 01:55 PM

“On the subject of immigration, let me make it absolutely clear; I'm not against immigration,” he said. “We should welcome those that want to come here to contribute. We need those with skills and drive. There's hardly a hospital, GP surgery or supermarket in the country that could run without that skill and drive.” - Douglas Carswell MP

Supporting skilled immigration is a sensible position to take. Nevertheless some parts of the country have had their population increase far beyond infrastructural capacities (especially places like Lincolnshire). Coventry just about managed to cope with its particularly large influx as there were areas of the city noone lived waiting to be knocked down and redeveloped (Wood End in particular) but even then it's a struggle with living conditions etc reduced. The fact that big parts of the city are undeveloped is a big issue though but so is adding 20,000-30,000 net increase of population with minimal house building in only a few years.

#3011111 Wasps moving to Coventry?

Posted by bowes on 10 October 2014 - 01:42 PM

Luckily Coventry Bears already get better crowds in the NCL than some League 1 clubs so hopefully we'll get enough to be competitive, though think will be a while before we are near promotion

#2997177 What is the structure now?

Posted by bowes on 17 September 2014 - 11:46 AM

The rugby league conference got abolished after the 2011 season there's now separate leagues in place of it 


In the 2014 summer season:


National Conference League (premier division, division 1,2 and 3)


Conference League South


Cumbria  Men's League

Cumberland League

Barrow and District League


North East League (divisions 1 and 2)


North West Men's League (premier division, divisions 1, 2, 3 and 4, entry league)


Yorkshire Men's League (premier division, divisions 1, 2, 3A, 3B, 3C and 3D)


Midlands Men's League (premier division and entry league)


West of England Men's League

South West Men's League


East Men's League (premier division and division 1)


London League (Premier Division and Division 1)

South East League

London and South East Entry League


Scottish League (National League and National League 1)


Welsh League (South Wales Premier and North Wales Conference)


NB: the entry leagues and the 4 regional Yorkshire division 3s are merit leagues. Scottish National 1 and North Wales Conference finished the season with just 2 teams so probably won't exist next season.


In winter there still exists the Pennine League (10 divisions) and Hull League (2 divisions) and may be a short season North West Counties League if it gets at least 8 applicants

#2992150 NWC Traditional Season League - Press Release & Meeting Information

Posted by bowes on 10 September 2014 - 10:56 AM

I think looking to winter or BARLA is counterproductive. What needs to happen is:

A. Clubs calling off say 3 games in a row or 5 in total get expelled and have to re enter the next season either 2 divisions lower or the bottom fixtured division
B. Clubs get demoted a division at the end of the season if they call off say 1 game at premier division level, 2 games in division 1 or 2, and 3 games in lower divisions
C. Allow clubs a vote on whether to introduce a midsummer break.
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