Griff9of13

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  1. Griff9of13

    Our new position in the EU

    Directly or indirectly, the myth peddled by the quitter campaigns was that the country would be better off. There was absolutely no mention of us being poorer either in the short or long term. £350m per week for the NHS anyone? David Davies: "we will get a deal which will be at least as good as the one we have now."
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    Our new position in the EU

    Sorry, to clarify I was thinking of the politicians rather than their supporters. The important distinction being that the JRMs in the country will be well and truly insulated from the destructive brexit they crave.
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    Our new position in the EU

    I suspect that they are one and the same. It's just that the second group are being honest with themselves and the rest of us.
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    Those nice tories

    "All manifesto promises are important, but some are more important than others." As someone (almost) once said.
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    Our new position in the EU

    I suspect that would be a tiny minority of the 17.4m who voted leave; the vast majority voted in the belief that they would be better off, just as the leave campaigns told them they would.
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    Those nice tories

    The government is facing the most important and critical decisions in my lifetime and what does it do? Decides to duck out of its responsibilities early to save it's own skin. Contemptible. This just further demonstrates that party is much more important than country to this shower of ####.
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    Our new position in the EU

    Not themselves personally, no. Their constituents however may feel very differently very quickly in the event of crashing out with no deal.
  8. I've no doubt that the sentiment is real. But, as I said in the post you quote wether there is an actual UKIP to vote for is in doubt the way things stand at the moment. That could change of course.
  9. Are we any more comfortable with money coming from alt right yanks than Putin's Russia? Do they not both have a destabilising agenda?
  10. It also assumes that there is a UKIP to vote for when in actuality, at the moment, it exists in name only. At the risk of repeating myself it has zero funds and if there was a GE anytime soon it couldn't put up more than a handful of candidates unless they could find 650 both daft enough and rich enough to fund their own campaigns. In light of recent events I think there would (or should) be some very serious questions asked if they suddenly found the necessary several million pounds needed for an election campaign down the back of the sofa.
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    Our new position in the EU

    I have to say that this by Nick Cohen is one of the finest pieces that I've read on the subject of brexit stupidity: Brexit Britain is out of options. Our humiliation is painful to watch
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    Our new position in the EU

    So in that scenario whoever took over from May would be prepared to go down in history as the only PM to wilfully trash the countries economy for a generation just to save their party in the short term?
  13. Yes, if like the last referendum this one that you are talking about is also ADVISORY! You do understand the meaning of the word advisory don't you? It means that there is no obligation to act on the result one way or another.
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    Those nice tories

    Whataboutery alert! If you hadn't noticed there is a rather substantial thread dedicated to discussing the very many shortcomings of Mr Corbyn. As I was often told when I was young, "two wrongs don't make a right", a message some people obviously never received when they were a child.
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    Our new position in the EU

    Agreed. But will the government (May) have the cahoonas to go down in history as the only PM to wilfully trash the countries economy for a generation just to save their party in the short term?