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  1. Happy enough with that. Our awful starts and high error count cost us in the last 2 weeks. Tonight we were more patient and reduced our errors. It led to a scoreless start but our class showed. Not perfect, but all about calming the nerves and getting back to winning ways this week.
  2. A few general points... 1. The "crazy" system Ian Lenegan has decried this system as crazy, and has also been critical of the Sky TV deal. To the best of my knowledge, he voted in favour of both. This isn't just a criticism of Lenegan as other chairmen are just as guilty. The club owners vote for something, then criticise someone else when it allegedly fails. A striking lack of accountability. The Stobart "deal" probably being the finest example of them all. 2. Self-Interest Can we trust the clubs to come up with a whole-game solution? In my view, no. The Super 8's were brought in to give a mirage of relegation. The Super League clubs brought in a convoluted system where no side automatically went down, as they thought that "all" they would have to do is to beat Championship clubs to stay up. They thought they would as safe as they were in licensing. In 2014, when this was agreed, the gap was too big for Championship clubs to be a threat. In the last few years, the game has changed and there are six Championship clubs that can give the lower Super League sides a game. So we're changing again. Nobody thought Hull KR could go down. They did. Nobody thought Catalans could go down. They were on the brink. Nobody thought that two Championship clubs would go up automatically in 2016 and 2017 and that two MPG's would be all Super League affairs. They were. 9th place are in danger of getting relegated now. But in 2014, this idea would have been scoffed at. The Super League clubs took a calculated risk, thinking it would keep them all safe. And now that it doesn't, they want out. The next system that comes on must be based on what's best for the game, not for the 12 teams who are sitting in the chairs when the music stops at any given time. 3. Less Games The points have already been covered, but I can't see a benefit in reducing the number of games. Would it help beat the Australians? Not in my view. We struggle to beat them as we are a minor sport. The best athletes play the most popular sport, in this country, that's football. In parts of Australia, that's rugby league. Until we address sliding participation figures and have a larger player pool to select from, we'll struggle to get the better of them. Others have covered the replacement of revenue for less matches, and I haven't seen an answer yet as to how that would occur. In the pre-2015 systems, if you missed out on the play-offs in Super League, you had most of September, October, November, December and January without a competitive match. Without the Super 8's, we'll probably go back to that. A lot of clubs not playing a competitive match for over a quarter of the year. How much more do they want off? Matchdays and Sky money are all that many clubs make revenue from. So for 4+ months, they are just getting by. If we up that to 5 or 6 months, how will clubs survive? 4. The Bigger Picture We've had all sorts of different systems since Super League began. We've changed the number of teams, no play offs at first, various different play off systems, P & R has come and gone like the wind. Yet none of these have taken the sport to the next level. That should show the structure isn't the issue. There are underlying issues like poor marketing, poor governance, a lack of accountability, complacency, poor community engagement, a lack of focus on the international game, reducing participation figures, a declining community game are just a few off the top of my head. Pick a structure, stick with it, and deal with the real issues that affect the game.
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    Feigning injuries

    It's a concern as players are abusing the head injury protocol, which was rightly brought in to protect players. My solution is that where the game has to be stopped for any injury, then the player must either be substituted or must leave the field for 60 seconds for assessment, with no sub coming on. This is similar to what happens in football. When players realise that feigning injury may lead to their side temporarily being reduced to 12 men, you would soon see who was really injured. The game would hopefully speed up too and we could reduce the amount of 2 hour games!
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    West Wales Raiders

    I don't know how much central funding West Wales get. If we were to assume that this was £100,000 per year, what would you do with this money and how would it improve the heartlands game? I will assume that you are correct that West Wales get poor crowds, but if I read you're post correctly, you seem to suggest that their presence reduces other teams crowds in the heartlands? How so? It's hardly like traditional, lower-league heartland clubs get good crowds anyway!
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    West Wales Raiders

    How does attempting to expand the game drain and dilute the game, in your opinion?
  6. Another poor start from Saints with a very high error count. Although they've been criticised in their time at the club, you notice the work that Morgan and Peyroux do when they aren't on our right edge. Huddersfield took advantage of our defensive uncertainty on the right hand side with Makinson/Costello/Knowles. They also kicked excellently and changed their approach as the game went on from high kicks at Barba to good territorial kicks to touch and forcing GLDO's. We're having a wobble, and it's a challenge for us now. We've effectively won the LLS and have a home semi-final, so there's nothing to play for until the semi-final. The next six fixtures are just about getting back in form for the semi-final. I imagine next week we will be very conservative, focus on removing unforced knock ons and not making errors like being caught in possession on the last, as happened two or three times last night or dropping the ball on the first tackle when we have a good attacking position, as happened twice. I'm not hugely concerned as every side will go through a rough patch. It's about how we react, and I would advocate a safety-first, more patient approach. A contributory factor to each of our defeats this year has been a lack of patience, particularly with the ball. It's important to win next week for our confidence, as I would worry if we went into the two week break on the back on three losses.
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    Barba going back to NRL of two weeks ago (i.e. after the Warrington match), St Helens were in no doubt that he would be staying here for in 2019.
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    Barba going back to NRL

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think where Barba will be playing in 2019 may surprise a few...
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    SKY Robots

    Someone at Sky must read this forum!
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    Plan 'B'

    Plan B?
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    Marwan's fixture proposal

    It's almost, but not quite as a bad as a recent suggestion I saw on RLFANS, which lambasted the RFL for not deciding the play-off structure mid-season to ensure that they can get the most exciting system!
  12. An interesting article. I think it is parts idealistic, but in other ways isn't afraid to address the problems in the sport, and unlike other articles offers practical solutions. The only thing I would add was a greater focus on the international game. Thoughts?
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    Plan 'B'

    I wonder if this is a Featherstone initiative, or "plan b" in action?
  14. That match was incredibly similar to our 2005 semi final against Hull. It was our worst performance of the season, taking on Catalans best performance of the season. We were never in the match from minute 1, our forwards were decimated by Catalans, and we made countless errors which invited pressure, and Gigot and Drinkwater took control from there. Interesting that the half backs who got relegated with Leigh last year will play at Wembley in a few weeks. For now, I'm willing to write this off as one of those days. All sides will have one over the season at least. Sadly, we chose the most important match of the year to do it. But questions will now be asked. Is Holbrook's same 17 each week approach correct? Has Barba's head been turned? Having lose the last 3 Super League semi finals and 5 Challenge Cup semi-finals we have competed in, do we have the bottle to win the championship? The pressure is now on. Teams won't fear playing us in a play-off semi final now. If we are the champion side that we want to be, then we have to answer these criticisms come October. I do worry that as we have little to play for until October, that this defeat may play on our mind for a while, particularly due to the manner of it. But that is only our third defeat in six months, so I still have confidence that we can win the title. The dream of a treble has gone, maybe today has reminded us why it's so rarely done. Best of luck to Catalans in the final. They deserved their place and it would hopefully boost French RL if they were to win. In some ways, today showed why rugby league is great. A side that was so awful earlier in the year are now the form team in the league, and on the verge of a first ever trophy.
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    Jet 2 should be ashamed

    I think the wider point is the airport/airlines industries general treatment of people with disabilities, which is very poor. A number of airports have been criticising in a recent report - Whilst many, I am pleased to see, have reported positive experiences with Jet2, the fact is that this family did not have a positive experience, and they are within their rights to criticise. I do agree with earlier views that there is a contradiction with the view that Jack felt humiliated and subsequently publishing the story to the national news. It's probably not something I would have done in the situation, but that's down to the individual. It shouldn't be this way, but complaining, making the maximum amount of fuss and publishing incidents like this one is the best way of ensuring that such an incident is not repeated. I assume that the reason that the family chose to go public is because next time they fly with Jet2, this means the likelihood of an incident being repeated is minimised, and the spotlight will shortly diminish. If that's what is needed to drive up the substandard way in which disabled travellers are treated, then that's not a bad thing in my view.
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    SL Club Attendances 2018

    I do think we sat our bar too low as a sport at times. For licensing, did you get credit for having a stadium regularly over 40% capacity? That's not something that should be credited. Even in the last two weeks, I've seen RL journalists praise a crowd of 16,000 at Wigan for the match against Saints, and 12,500 for the Saints match against Warrington. Admittedly, they were Thursday's but these crowds aren't worthy of praise. I've been critical of my own team Saints for their marketing recently. At Knowsley Road, we drew crowds of around 8,000 or so for lesser games, and 14,000+ for the likes of Leeds and Warrington, and on a couple of occasions sold out the Warrington game. We now seem to have levelled off, with crowds always around 10,000 for the lesser matches, with crowds of 12,000 or so for Leeds and Warrington. We need to do more to sell them out. Saints, to their credit, did push the Warrington game with cheap family tickets and more entertainment, but didn't get much of a return, so maybe it's a harder sell than I suggest. But there's so much we can do. I use Saints as an example as their my team. This year our first match of the season fell of the 150th anniversary of being established as a town. The marketing opportunities are obvious, but we didn't do anything. As it was the first game, we still drew a healthy 13,000. But tap into that event, and I would hope you could have at least drawn another 1,000 in. There's so much more we can do. We could have a competition for youth teams and community groups. Give them all tickets to sell for the match like Catalans when the away end is closed. The group who sells the most tickets could win a training session with the first team, or the chance to train on the pitch etc. The cost of things like this are minimal, but the return could be large. I'm no marketing expert, but it seems to me that getting people to part with money now is harder, particularly in an era where attention spans are shorter and entertainment is sourced from mobile phones rather than live experiences. We therefore need to try even harder than ever to get people in to our stadiums, and make the sport seem like an occasion that you can't miss out on and something worth parting with your cash and time for.
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    Super league 2005 season

    That young lad at St Helens might be an alright player in years to come!
  18. Here are the fixtures. In each year of the middle 8's, 10 points has been enough to get 3rd place and an automatic Super League place. Meanwhile, the 5th place side has always finished on 6 points. That figure has been enough to get an MPG place each year bar 2016, when London missed out on points difference to Salford. So, who can get to 10 points? Leeds should win home fixtures against Toulouse, Toronto and Salford and away against Halifax and London, so they should be fine. Hull KR would expect to win all 4 home fixtures. Assuming they do, they would need one away win against either Toronto, Toulouse or Leeds. Whilst they may slip up against a Championship side away, you would think they would win one of the two. What about Toronto? I would guess they would beat Toulouse and London at home and Halifax away. So they need to beat two Super League sides from Widnes (H), Hull KR (H) and Salford (A). It's not an easy task, particularly with more regular travel, and I don't think the middle 8's will be the stroll many expect. Saying that, if I was to make a prediction, I think they'll manage to get to 10 points. The fixtures have fallen kindly for Salford. They should target 3 home wins, and 2 away wins against Championship clubs. If they do it, then it may come down to points difference with Toronto, or even Hull KR. But one of the three would fall in to the home team for the MPG. As for the rest, I think it's a battle for the away spot in the MPG, for which 6 points is broadly needed. Widnes may have to rely on their home form. They have 2 Championship sides and Leeds, who they have a great home record against. If they lose to Leeds, then they'll need an away win too, and whilst they may struggle away, you would think they could scrape 1. Toulouse are in a similar position. They will target their home matches against Halifax, Hull KR and Widnes. If they win all 3, they should get in the MPG, maybe even a home tie if they beat London away. If they lose both home games to Super League clubs, then I wouldn't back them to make the points up. I think London will probably lose all 3 away games. So finishing 2nd in the Championship and getting the extra home tie gives them hope. If they beat Halifax, Toulouse and Salford they'll have a chance. They beat Salford away in 2016, so that fixture won't hold any fear, but I think they may fall short. I can't see Halifax getting a win. If they had Toulouse or London at home then maybe, but unfortunately for them, the winnable games have fell away. But it's an incredible achievement for Halifax to get this far, and I'm sure they and their fans will enjoy the challenge of testing themselves against better teams. To conclude my waffling, my prediction: 1. Leeds 2. Hull KR 3. Toronto - - - - 4. Salford (winning MPG) 5. Widnes - - - - 6. Toulouse 7. London 8. Halifax
  19. Two main points I took from the game. Saints defence was great. In the last 2 weeks, we conceded one try against Wigan and one against Warrington. If our defence stays that strong, I'd back our attack to win the vast majority of games. Warrington played with a great intensity and a very fast line speed which stifled us in the first half. Were Warrington lacked was their composure at the end. In recent weeks, they've lost to Saints and Wigan in the last minute and couldn't force home a victory against Catalans. That's what could stop them being a Grand Finalist this year, if they don't sort it. If they can improve seeing games out, they've got a chance of a successful season.
  20. Wonder if he'll claim he was bit again?
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    Boom and bust.

    There seem to be two approaches in the Championship. The first is the more sustainable Halifax or London approach. This involves spending with their means, investing in local community with an emphasis on youth talent, and in Halifax's case, a reserve team. This approach has shown that it can yield a top 4 finish, often against more openly-ambitious teams. The way they run their operations seem sensible and sustainable. The problem with this is that sides like Halifax and London are realistically not going to get promoted to Super League, or pose a threat to an existing Super League team. If all sides had this kind of approach, then the Middle 8's would be pretty dull. The second approach is the "Super League or bust" approach. And we've seen the likes of full-time Leigh and Bradford both miss out on the top 4 unexpectedly and facing financial hardship as a result. I struggle to see how an established Championship club, aside from a bankrolled-side like Toronto, can get promoted and become an established Super League team now. The only way that is even remotely possible is to spend big, aim high, and hope it doesn't blow up in your face. I've always been against the 2 x 10 league idea. But maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea, would be more sustainable and deal with the inequity of resources problem we have in the Championship. But a 2 x 10 system would only work in Sky bought in to it, broadcast the second tier, and we could get increased coverage, crowds and awareness for the second tier. I'm not sure that we, or any UK sport for that matter, aside from football can attract that kind of coverage outside the top flight. I'm not sure what the answer is, but there's certainly a problem in maintaining a second division that provides stability, competiton and provides a sustainable route where sides can get promoted and establish themselves in the Super League, and the other way around, where relegation doesn't automatically equal oblivion, where you have a 1 year window to get back to the top flight before the you-know-what really hits the fan. I don't know the answers to the problems, or even if there is one, but it's in everyone's interests, including Robert Elstone's, to find one. The whole game including Super League would benefit from a strong, sustainable Championship.
  22. There's a video of the incident on Twitter, although it isn't too clear.
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    Nope I see it too - I wonder if it has anything to do with the rumoured Salford takeover 😉
  24. Both Bradford - York games this year seem to have been crackers. I'm sure they'll both go up and really add value to the Championship next year, both on and off the field. A great crowd of 6,500 too. Bradford still have some pulling power in the city!
  25. This may be premature, but London and Halifax deserve a lot of praise. London were been tipped for 10th at the start of the year by some not-too-sensible tippers, and not too many sensible tipsters would have put them in the top 4 after losing Henderson and some key players. A month or so ago they were outside the top 4 with a horror run in, but managed to get away points at Toulouse and Fev and a home with against Fax. With that form they deserve a place in the Middle 8's. Surely they won't blow it against Barrow now? Same for Halifax. There are teams with bigger budgets and full time squads, but have made it back-to-back top 4 finishes. They seem to be a well-run club that live within their means, invest in youth/reserves and are reaping their rewards. Richard Marshall is surely getting interest from Super League clubs now, and with another good year, then Danny Ward may be too.