CanadianRugger Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Out of interest what is the average size of an RU squad vs an RL squad (and I don’t mean fat lads but the total number of players!) Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions. Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm. Many reasons for this: 1. Multiple Cup Competitions 2. Internationals 3. Regular Season There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc. They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Why have twp not looked at gigot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions. Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm. Many reasons for this: 1. Multiple Cup Competitions 2. Internationals 3. Regular Season There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc. They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs. Cheers, Rugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 hours ago, winnyason said: Why have twp not looked at gigot? Why would TWP have looked at Gigot?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Why would TWP have looked at Gigot?! There halfback Josh mcrone fmd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, winnyason said: There halfback Josh mcrone fmd Astounding he played so many games in the NRL, isn’t it? You’ve forgotten that TWP have spaffed all their lunch money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Chamey said: What are the rules around players helping players? Presumably there isn't a rule against a player offering another player assistance. If so surely the key is to have a marquee player on big wages, who then out of the goodness of his heart provides certain amenities for the other players. Don't understand Chamey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 6 hours ago, winnyason said: Why have twp not looked at gigot? Spent up? The trouble is they would most probably have to get rid of two of their 'average' player's to afford him and if what we are being informed is true that the player's are on inflated saleries there is little chance of that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions. Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm. Many reasons for this: 1. Multiple Cup Competitions 2. Internationals 3. Regular Season There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc. They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs. Not forgetting that in RU the front row is a specialist position and players have to be qualified to play there. So clubs will have to carry x number of spare props and hookers in case of injury and the things you’ve listed above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions. Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm. Many reasons for this: 1. Multiple Cup Competitions 2. Internationals 3. Regular Season There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc. They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs. Not forgetting that in RU the front row is a specialist position and players have to be qualified to play there. So clubs will have to carry x number of spare props and hookers in case of injury and the things you’ve listed above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RED ROOSTER Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Similarities between Western Reds and the Toronto Wolfpack with an unsustainable business model and without exchange rate issues... Quote "There is no question that the financial modelling of the Western Reds was flawed," Sackson said. "There’s an argument that arises quite often that the Western Reds failed, so rugby league will fail in the west. "What people have to understand is there are a number of reasons why the Reds eventually folded here. "Firstly, it was an unsustainable business model. There were the inflated player payments during the time of the Super League civil war versus the establishment. That put player payments through the roof. "The Western Reds had to pay for the incoming teams, coming into Perth - they had to pay for flights and accommodation for teams and then they had to fly them home. "We had to field a reserve grade team and fly them out here and home. That added up. It was an extraordinary cost." https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/players-love-the-place-perth-businessman-heads-new-bid-for-nrl-team-in-west-20200212-p5407u.html 1 Quote When the pinch comes the common people will turn out to be more intelligent than the clever ones. I certainly hope so. George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 13 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said: Similarities between Western Reds and the Toronto Wolfpack with an unsustainable business model and without exchange rate issues... https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/players-love-the-place-perth-businessman-heads-new-bid-for-nrl-team-in-west-20200212-p5407u.html toronto dont actually pay these costs out of their pocket do they? air transat do the flights for free. and i think i read they got the accomodation for free. even if the travelling clubs didnt like the sandiwches they got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Or so I'm told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckymunksy Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Playing for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunno much Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hvy wg said: Or so I'm told I heard the same thing Heavy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, Hvy wg said: Or so I'm told He’s not an under-21 Canadian so how does he fit under the cap? Maybe they are swapping/offloading someone else to get Gigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Sources? "We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato." Don Estelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerner80 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 This makes sense as He's a very good utility back and isn't at a club right now. How they will get him on the Cap, I'm not sure, although given he's not at a club now maybe he will sign for the season for a moderate salary? Does anyone think they may move for Escare too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TboneFromTO Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.lindependant.fr/amp/2020/02/18/super-league-tony-gigot-a-toronto,8740606.php&ved=0ahUKEwixv9ST_tvnAhXRQxUIHfhuDbgQyM8BCCgwAA&usg=AOvVaw3T-phe7kd0SoE-NY1rwnQq&cf=1 I was interested so I googled it and that's all I got. How? How much? And who actually says..... Lots of smoke and no fire in this one if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Maybe they’ve given up the Chase to get Stanley a new passport 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Could it be a 2 season deal with his salary back loaded to the 2nd season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, dkw said: Could it be a 2 season deal with his salary back loaded to the 2nd season? The salary cap doesn't let you do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LeeF said: The salary cap doesn't let you do that Doesnt it? I'm sure I remember seeing clubs do that before. I think I remember this happening at Wigan when Fielden went there which was possibly under different rules. Edited February 18, 2020 by dkw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 and isn't that why wigan had points deducted because "it wasn't in the spirit of the cap" Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, dkw said: Doesnt it? I'm sure I remember seeing clubs do that before. I think I remember this happening at Wigan when Fielden went there which was possibly under different rules. The last time I read the salary cap rules - sometime last year - it basically stopped you backloading a contract. Yes you can have normal year on year increases but not say a 20%/80% split Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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