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4 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Out of interest what is the average size of an RU squad vs an RL squad (and I don’t mean fat lads but the total number of players!)

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

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5 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

Cheers, Rugger.

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13 hours ago, Chamey said:

What are the rules around players helping players? Presumably there isn't a rule against a player offering another player assistance. If so surely the key is to have a marquee player on big wages, who then out of the goodness of his heart provides certain amenities for the other players.

Don't understand Chamey.

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8 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

Not forgetting that in RU the front row is a specialist position and players have to be qualified to play there. So clubs will have to carry x number of spare props and hookers in case of injury and the things you’ve listed above. 

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8 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

Not forgetting that in RU the front row is a specialist position and players have to be qualified to play there. So clubs will have to carry x number of spare props and hookers in case of injury and the things you’ve listed above. 

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Similarities between Western Reds and the Toronto Wolfpack with an unsustainable business model and without exchange rate issues...

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"There is no question that the financial modelling of the Western Reds was flawed," Sackson said.

"There’s an argument that arises quite often that the Western Reds failed, so rugby league will fail in the west.

"What people have to understand is there are a number of reasons why the Reds eventually folded here.

"Firstly, it was an unsustainable business model. There were the inflated player payments during the time of the Super League civil war versus the establishment. That put player payments through the roof.

"The Western Reds had to pay for the incoming teams, coming into Perth - they had to pay for flights and accommodation for teams and then they had to fly them home.

"We had to field a reserve grade team and fly them out here and home. That added up. It was an extraordinary cost."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/players-love-the-place-perth-businessman-heads-new-bid-for-nrl-team-in-west-20200212-p5407u.html

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13 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Similarities between Western Reds and the Toronto Wolfpack with an unsustainable business model and without exchange rate issues...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/players-love-the-place-perth-businessman-heads-new-bid-for-nrl-team-in-west-20200212-p5407u.html

toronto dont actually pay these costs out of their pocket do they?  air transat do the flights for free.  and i think i read they got the accomodation for free.

even if the travelling clubs didnt like the sandiwches they got

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This makes sense as He's a very good utility back and isn't at a club right now. How they will get him on the Cap, I'm not sure, although given he's not at a club now maybe he will sign for the season for a moderate salary? Does anyone think they may move for Escare too?

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.lindependant.fr/amp/2020/02/18/super-league-tony-gigot-a-toronto,8740606.php&ved=0ahUKEwixv9ST_tvnAhXRQxUIHfhuDbgQyM8BCCgwAA&usg=AOvVaw3T-phe7kd0SoE-NY1rwnQq&ampcf=1

 

I was interested so I googled it and that's all I got.

How? How much? And who actually says.....

Lots of smoke and no fire in this one if you ask me

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10 minutes ago, LeeF said:

The salary cap doesn't let you do that

Doesnt it? I'm sure I remember seeing clubs do that before. 

I think I remember this happening at Wigan when Fielden went there which was possibly under different rules. 

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17 minutes ago, dkw said:

Doesnt it? I'm sure I remember seeing clubs do that before. 

I think I remember this happening at Wigan when Fielden went there which was possibly under different rules. 

The last time I read the salary cap rules - sometime last year - it basically stopped you backloading a contract. Yes you can have normal year on year increases but not say a 20%/80% split

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