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5 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

I have pretty clearly answered it. The amount apportioned would be congruent with amount players give up

No.You were arguing that players should have a share of their clubs assets even when being payed full wages.You also say they should have shares in SLe.So when players are paid in full how should they be given a share of the clubs assets and a share of SLe?

Again a simple answer will suffice if you are capable.

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Today’s news that the Premier League is facing a minimum £360m repayment to its broadcast partners for not meeting contractual obligations is real cause for concern. It’s reported that not completing the season will cost them £750m and a “behind closed doors” rushed end to the season will cost £360m. 

If Sky are taking such action against other sports then it’s not inconceivable that they will also adopt the same approach to RL. In which case the clubs are going to need every penny of this money just to survive if broadcast income is greatly reduced.

The game really is on a knife edge at the moment.


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4 hours ago, whatmichaelsays said:

Wrong link - my bad and apologies.  

Here you go https://www.blmforum.net/mag/two-wakefield-companies-named-and-shamed-for-underpaying-workers/

Was that the justification you're looking for?

This was due to a test case regarding the incorrect implementation of the Minimum Wage.  Hundreds of companies across the country were used. I think, but may be wrong, that Leeds Rhinos were done too.

As a result, businesses across the UK changed the way wages were calculated (most usually the calculation of holiday pay).

It wasn't a case of financial mis-management, or not paying bills/wages - it was a case of an incorrect wage calculation practice.

However, your original link cited St Helens - any comment on them?

 

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3 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

They havent been paid full wages, they wont paid be paid full wages when the game resumes.

In return they can be given either a share of the clubs (and hence the assets) or a share of SLe.

They will then own that share.

In the future they may be 'paid in full' but they will still own what they own.

I also think players should own a share of SLe in recognition  that even when they were 'paid in full' they werent due to the salary cap.

So every SL player over the last 20 years or so,should own a share of SLe.Care to explain how that would pan out.

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2 hours ago, Derwent said:

Today’s news that the Premier League is facing a minimum £360m repayment to its broadcast partners for not meeting contractual obligations is real cause for concern. It’s reported that not completing the season will cost them £750m and a “behind closed doors” rushed end to the season will cost £360m. 

If Sky are taking such action against other sports then it’s not inconceivable that they will also adopt the same approach to RL. In which case the clubs are going to need every penny of this money just to survive if broadcast income is greatly reduced.

The game really is on a knife edge at the moment.

Not sure about the "game" as an entity Derwent but full time professionalism is absolutely, wholly, dependent on SKY. 

How RL got in this mess is for another day but the game has had over half a billion pounds since the advent of SL in rights payments and we have no more a solid base than we did in 1995. All directly involved in spending that money bear some culpability.

Not at all confident that we will access anything like that amount of money over the next 25 years even if coming through this period relatively unscathed. Even the wealthiest owners could/will not plug all the gaps and in any event they will not be around forever.

 

 

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1 hour ago, scotchy1 said:

Yes. It would pan out well

Shouldn't the mods be sitting this clown down for a period?

It's just trolling! Stupid trolling.

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2 minutes ago, dboy said:

Shouldn't the mods be sitting this clown down for a period?

It's just trolling! Stupid trolling.

The ignore option is the only sensible one - I'm at a loss as to why anyone (particularly regulars) continue to engage.

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Rugby league has wasted vast amounts of money over the past 25yrs and I have little doubt that this money will also be wasted. The game moves from one crisis to another but one day there will be no one left to help further. To be fair,the same could be said of other sports but league has far fewer billionaires who would be prepared to throw money at the game,when compared to football,union and cricket.

I suspect Leeds,because of their off field hospitality business is the only viable club,with perhaps Warrington and Saints a little further back. They cant play each other 15 timesa season.

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1 minute ago, cookey said:

Rugby league has wasted vast amounts of money over the past 25yrs and I have little doubt that this money will also be wasted. The game moves from one crisis to another but one day there will be no one left to help further. To be fair,the same could be said of other sports but league has far fewer billionaires who would be prepared to throw money at the game,when compared to football,union and cricket.

I suspect Leeds,because of their off field hospitality business is the only viable club,with perhaps Warrington and Saints a little further back. They cant play each other 15 timesa season.

How is hospitality a viable income source now or in the foreseeable future?

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4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

In fact Gary Hetherington has said similar, that a lot of clubs have wasted a lot of money and not diversified or increased their revenue streams.

That's simply a lie!

Hetherington said. “...clubs like ours who have got big, diverse businesses and a lot of employees, normally that would give you an advantage in sporting terms.

“But in the situation we are in now, we – in many ways – have got the biggest problem. Our problems probably contrast quite sharply to some other rugby league clubs and sport businesses.

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3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Having seen how Salford have just thrown Niall Evalds under the bus if you think players shouldn't be fighting for everything they can get you need to give your head a shake

 

You're the one who has been calling for players to exercise their rights to get the most cash they can out of a short career.

 

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28 minutes ago, dboy said:

That's simply a lie!

Hetherington said. “...clubs like ours who have got big, diverse businesses and a lot of employees, normally that would give you an advantage in sporting terms.

“But in the situation we are in now, we – in many ways – have got the biggest problem. Our problems probably contrast quite sharply to some other rugby league clubs and sport businesses.

While what Mr Hetherington said is true , yes currently it works against them , I'd be more inclined to listen to him if he'd managed to build up the diverse income at a less fashionable smaller club without a very rich benefactor ? , Maybe like Sheffield or somewhere like that ?

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22 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

While what Mr Hetherington said is true , yes currently it works against them , I'd be more inclined to listen to him if he'd managed to build up the diverse income at a less fashionable smaller club without a very rich benefactor ? , Maybe like Sheffield or somewhere like that ?

The way Leeds have built is, with doubt, to be admired.

You still have to consider the impact of the business closure - they have lost more income than any other club.

 

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39 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

The game is in a far better state than it was in 95 Marty. 

It has a far more solid base and has gone from a game which was in tonnes of debt and selling assets to survive to one which has built many. 

But there is also the fact that the product sky pays for costs money to produce. It's all very well saying that the game has half a billion over the last 25 years but it has to pay most of that out to players to make it worth what sky are paying for it.

Thats obviously not to defend every club

"Built many assets"...? 

We now have nearly two thirds of the Elite division playing in non-owned "assets". St Helens  have swapped one reasonably valuable plot of land for a ground in area with co- tenants that ensures they will never be able to cash in as per Knowsley Road again. They and others will also be testing the reliability and longevity of flat pack stadiums before long. Leeds have ceded ownership of half of their ground and are now in the position of being a sub tenant. Not to mention the loss of grounds throughout the lower divisions , the whole Odsal debacle and the continuing decline of Belle Vue and Wheldon Road.

On the credit side Warrington have undoubtedly improved their lot and are probably the shining example of what CAN be done. 

"Far more solid base"...???

We are one TV contract non-renewal away from no more Full Time Rugby League in the UK. 

We have many thousands less young people playing the game, have lost hundreds of amateur teams and have contracted at reserve and academy/colts level.

Our main exposure to the population has degraded to the point of only half filling Wembley and attracting 20% of the TV audience. Total TV audience has, of course, fallen off a cliff , competitions which gained a large terrestrial audience have been abandoned and the aforementioned Challenge Cup neglected.

All after receiving over half a billion pounds we had no idea we were getting. 

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5 minutes ago, Marty Funkhouser said:

"Built many assets"...? 

We now have nearly two thirds of the Elite division playing in non-owned "assets". St Helens  have swapped one reasonably valuable plot of land for a ground in area with co- tenants that ensures they will never be able to cash in as per Knowsley Road again. They and others will also be testing the reliability and longevity of flat pack stadiums before long. Leeds have ceded ownership of half of their ground and are now in the position of being a sub tenant. Not to mention the loss of grounds throughout the lower divisions , the whole Odsal debacle and the continuing decline of Belle Vue and Wheldon Road.

On the credit side Warrington have undoubtedly improved their lot and are probably the shining example of what CAN be done. 

"Far more solid base"...???

We are one TV contract non-renewal away from no more Full Time Rugby League in the UK. 

We have many thousands less young people playing the game, have lost hundreds of amateur teams and have contracted at reserve and academy/colts level.

Our main exposure to the population has degraded to the point of only half filling Wembley and attracting 20% of the TV audience. Total TV audience has, of course, fallen off a cliff , competitions which gained a large terrestrial audience have been abandoned and the aforementioned Challenge Cup neglected.

All after receiving over half a billion pounds we had no idea we were getting. 

Warrington ? 

Having Tesco build them a stadium for free ? 

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2 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

The ignore option is the only sensible one - I'm at a loss as to why anyone (particularly regulars) continue to engage.

I agree with you but I have fallen for it again.Although sometimes find the sheer stupidity of his replies quite amusing.

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25 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

No acknowledgement of, never mind apology for your mistaken accusation?

off person who I hold in very low esteem. Blocked!

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9 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

 the game was on its last legs pre-sl

I am afraid that is just a popular myth Scotchy that probably came about because of firstly,  Lindsay's emotive rhetoric when trying to press gang the rest of Rugby League into accepting Sky's offer without a proper in depth consultation, secondly because of the ridiculous , truncated 1995 season that led into SL which was as much a waste of time as is the current season, and thirdly because of the ill feeling generated around much of the game from the changes and decisions taking place.

Just prior to the advent of SL  the 1994 Ashes series (and tour 269,000 in total) was watched by the all time biggest crowds in the UK for an international series. It will likely never be beaten in this era. Wigan won the World Club in Australia in front of 55000. London attracted a crowd of 8300 for a home game. Numerous club regular games attracted in excess of 25000. 130,000 watched live three major cup finals all televised on terrestrial TV in 94/95. Nearly 88 million people watched RL on TV during 1994 and 1995, something we can only dream of now , and which will never be repeated. 5 million watched the Challenge Cup final etc etc.

If that is last legs then some clubs need to get back to it pronto.

 

 

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1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

Warrington ? 

Having Tesco build them a stadium for free ? 

Nothing wrong with that Gubs , if all clubs could pull that trick off we would be in a fantastic position.

It is more the way they have kicked on from there, upgraded the still new ground, made money, put a good team out, invested in the youth as well as bringing in the big signings, which are welcomed by the watchers of RL, all in a decent Rugby League ground that is a definite upgrade from Wilderspool and wholly owned by the club in a decent location.

They can still mess it up of course, as all RL clubs inevitably do at some point, but at the moment they are a model of improvement.

 

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3 minutes ago, Marty Funkhouser said:

Nothing wrong with that Gubs , if all clubs could pull that trick off we would be in a fantastic position.

It is more the way they have kicked on from there, upgraded the still new ground, made money, put a good team out, invested in the youth as well as bringing in the big signings, which are welcomed by the watchers of RL, all in a decent Rugby League ground that is a definite upgrade from Wilderspool and wholly owned by the club in a decent location.

They can still mess it up of course, as all RL clubs inevitably do at some point, but at the moment they are a model of improvement.

 

So a free stadium due to Tesco and the council , and then underwritten by Simon Moran , hardly surprising , how many SL titles has it got them ? ?

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3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

That's not the case though is it. Clubs were struggling, in debt, selling assets.

The international game has been mismanaged for decades but one tour, whilst successful didn't mean the whole game was I'm rude health.

And whilst 5m is fantastic and I'd love to see us get those figures again, they were a product of a time with only 4 tv channels. In 1996 an episode of only fools and horses got 24m. That just doesnt happen now.

Yes we do need to improve in some areas, especially international RL, and yes much more can be done to utilise the challenge cup and nobody is arguing SL is perfect but if we continued to do what we were doing in 1995 we would be further behind than we are.

Scotchy, which of the 4 channels gave Rugby League the £87 million pounds to start RL??

And do not mix up Wigan struggling from Lindsay's mis-management, overpaying and bad model with other areas of the game. More "assets" were sold post SL than before. 

Clubs are STILL struggling, STILL in debt.....AFTER.... HALF A BILLION pounds...

 

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1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:

So a free stadium due to Tesco and the council , and then underwritten by Simon Moran , hardly surprising , how many SL titles has it got them ? ?

None, Bradford got 3...

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8 hours ago, Derwent said:

Today’s news that the Premier League is facing a minimum £360m repayment to its broadcast partners for not meeting contractual obligations is real cause for concern. It’s reported that not completing the season will cost them £750m and a “behind closed doors” rushed end to the season will cost £360m. 

If Sky are taking such action against other sports then it’s not inconceivable that they will also adopt the same approach to RL. In which case the clubs are going to need every penny of this money just to survive if broadcast income is greatly reduced.

The game really is on a knife edge at the moment.

It might not be Sky as they have a number of broadcast partners across the world

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36 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

So a free stadium due to Tesco and the council , and then underwritten by Simon Moran , hardly surprising , how many SL titles has it got them ? ?

Maybe next year ?

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