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20 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

You said double and triple headers smack of small-time. How are you defining small-time? To define small-time you are comparing to something that you perceive to be bigger and more successful which in talking about sport it is reasonable to presume the comparison is with bigger sports. Simple logic, something cannot be small-time without something else being big-time, everything has an opposite. 

I am saying that that comparison does not need to be made because different sports have different features which define them and shouldn't be compared. A feature of RL is double and triple header events. This is not a feature of football or union particularly. Just because they do not have these events does not mean it makes them superior, they just choose not to have these events and we do. That does not make RL inferior. Football have competitions that are decided by league position, we have them decided by a grand final. This does not make either sport superior to the other, it is just the way different sports do things because they are different. 

I agree I`d be careful about dismissing double-headers out of hand as I think if done properly there may be a place for them in Rugby League, the success of the Magic Weekend concept confirms that.

One of the main reasons that League can hold events like the Magic rounds, both in your country and over here where they have been an outstanding success is that League games don`t tend to drag on for inordinate amounts of time, especially when compared to other codes.

Rule changes this year with less stoppages and scrums being reduced have seen games finishing faster than ever and we start getting into questions of value for money and the prospect of people weighing up the value of travelling x-amount of time for x-amount of entertainment.

I wouldn`t suggest they be overdone and sometimes we have to be careful about how they are presented and marketed but given Rugby Leagues increasing tendency to be a game of high intensity action over a relatively short period of time I would suggest that there is definitely a place for them in Rugby League.

Funny thing is our main rival over here have witnessed the success of our Magic Weekends and what a great tool they are for getting casuals or new-comers to games and although being unable to have them themselves have introduced the idea of afl carnival weeks with games played every day for a week, good luck to them, I dare say this is because they can`t have double or triple headers like we can ( and the carnival atmosphere ) as much as they would love to.

As I said they wouldn`t want to be over done and getting kick-off times right so that you don`t get one game kicking off ridiculously early or late and if presented and marketed in the right manner I`d see  a possible increasing role for double headers in Rugby League.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

We want/expect to play big games in big stadiums but seldom sell them out eg last years’ SL final and World Cup 2013 finals at Old Trafford. We do not have that latent audience to sell out a big occasion regardless of who is competing.

Eh? The 2013 World Cup final at Old Trafford was between Australia and New Zealand, was a sellout crowd of 74,468 and set a new international rugby league attendance record.

We can do it and have done it.

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43 minutes ago, Damien said:

Eh? The 2013 World Cup final at Old Trafford was between Australia and New Zealand, was a sellout crowd of 74,468 and set a new international rugby league attendance record.

We can do it and have done it.

Fair enough I got that wrong - was actually thinking of the 2000 final where the evening paper gave away thousands of tickets. In 2013 yes we did sell out but tickets were still on sale close to the day - I guess though that does show good progress and yes that we can do it for a men’s final in England where the hosts were a week away from making the final.
Other tournaments/ countries/ venues/non finals etc will be different. The women’s World Cup final was played before the men’s last time out in Australia so if it’s good enough for them…

 

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1 hour ago, theswanmcr said:

Fair enough I got that wrong - was actually thinking of the 2000 final where the evening paper gave away thousands of tickets. In 2013 yes we did sell out but tickets were still on sale close to the day - I guess though that does show good progress and yes that we can do it for a men’s final in England where the hosts were a week away from making the final.
Other tournaments/ countries/ venues/non finals etc will be different. The women’s World Cup final was played before the men’s last time out in Australia so if it’s good enough for them…

 

That's a good point. The Australian J league also has women's games before the mens.

We have to consider what other countries who play the game prefer also.

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I would also like to note, in case anyone only looks at the last couple of pages of this thread, that the organisers of the 2025 World Cup have NOT proposed any double headers. That was my (I think) suggestion, when thinking about how a France women’s game alongside a men’s game not featuring France could draw in a bigger crowd than either game would attract individually. 

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Double / Triple Headers have a place in Rugby League, but only when by combining the matches it creates a larger / better product. 

For me, Magic Weekend, in both SL and NRL, are examples of that as they both have turned another round into an event, which gets both additional media coverage and revenue for both bodies which they previously didn't get.

I'd argue the Challenge Cup Semi Final also works, though some would argue that the two Semis use to and still could be big events in their own right. 

Unfortunately for International RL matches, they are usually nothing more than cost saving measures, with a lesser game usually attached to a more marketable game.

Now if France2025 can make some bigger events by playing Double or Triple Headers, then so they should.  I'd imagine there might be a desire to play both the French Men's & Women’s matches as a Double Header to launch the tournament and if that helps then sell out a bigger venue and/or get more coverage for the tournament, then great. I just hope they avoid attaching say Cook Islands v Jamaica to a Les Chanticleer's match because they felt it was too hard to market.

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2 hours ago, Yakstorm said:

Double / Triple Headers have a place in Rugby League, but only when by combining the matches it creates a larger / better product. 

For me, Magic Weekend, in both SL and NRL, are examples of that as they both have turned another round into an event, which gets both additional media coverage and revenue for both bodies which they previously didn't get.

I'd argue the Challenge Cup Semi Final also works, though some would argue that the two Semis use to and still could be big events in their own right. 

Unfortunately for International RL matches, they are usually nothing more than cost saving measures, with a lesser game usually attached to a more marketable game.

Now if France2025 can make some bigger events by playing Double or Triple Headers, then so they should.  I'd imagine there might be a desire to play both the French Men's & Women’s matches as a Double Header to launch the tournament and if that helps then sell out a bigger venue and/or get more coverage for the tournament, then great. I just hope they avoid attaching say Cook Islands v Jamaica to a Les Chanticleer's match because they felt it was too hard to market.

With Internationals in particular, double headers are a bad idea because they effectively make one of the matches an undercard/opening act for the other.  That's completely contrary to the idea of Internationals being the pinnacle of sport.

Unfortunately, matches like Cook Islands vs Jamaica are always going to be a tough sell given the low stature of those countries in the world.

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Of course we can have double headers, if we think it’s a good idea. Or triple or quadruple headers. There is no reason why good organisers can’t sell loads of tickets for Cook Islands v Jamaica. I was in a large crowd in Bristol who loved watching a Cook Islands match in 2013. The beauty of our game is, of course, that when people see it in the flesh they realise they are seeing something special. Anyone who under estimates the ability to sell a Jamaican team has spent too long in lockdown. 

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10 minutes ago, langpark said:

A tweet from RLWC2025 organisers today, suggests that there is only ONE remaining host city to be named. 

https://twitter.com/CDMFrance2025/status/1484891195046350859?s=20

No they now have 39 towns/cities who have expressed an interest - so nearly there for the bare minimum required. More to come yet after the official announcement. All encouraging stuff either way.

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