Widnes

[The scrim reaper]

Sorry but for me woods is average at best and and far too inconsistent! He's supposed to be the game organiser and main ball player but he's far too slow and predictable when he has the ball, as for the coaching How's about thinking out the box for a bit, what about a ball over top 4th tackle for the wingers and centers to chase especially going downhill or taking the line on more often or attempting a 40/20  all things that they should'nt have to think about! 

 

 

 

[DOGFATHER]

7 hours ago, The scrim reaper said:

Sorry but for me woods is average at best and and far too inconsistent! He's supposed to be the game organiser and main ball player but he's far too slow and predictable when he has the ball, as for the coaching How's about thinking out the box for a bit, what about a ball over top 4th tackle for the wingers and centers to chase especially going downhill or taking the line on more often or attempting a 40/20  all things that they should'nt have to think about! 

 

 

 

I think the biggest problem is; we have nobody running on to, or off the ball at angles, and no second phase to make the opposition defenders think.

Looking at our attacking line, we were very flat and the halfbacks had very few options with ball in hand. All they could do on Sunday was pass to man next to them, put a looping ball over the top of the man next to them to miss him out, but because we are so flat, the 2nd guy out had to be stood still in order to catch it as there was no depth, or the only other option was a kick. 

Whether you blame the rest of the players for not providing options in attack, or the halfbacks for not telling the runners where they need to be running is debatable.

Hooley has been the one man that has provided that run from deep to provide an option in attack and something for the opposition defenders to think about.

Given the experience in the team, I don't think the players we have, should need telling to stand deeper in attack and run on to the ball at angles to create options for the ball players. However, we never struggled with this with Gilmore in the halves and Lingard in charge.

Edited September 3 by DOGFATHER

[seen it before]

41 minutes ago, DOGFATHER said:

I think the biggest problem is; we have nobody running on to, or off the ball at angles, and no second phase to make the opposition defenders think.

Looking at our attacking line, we were very flat and the halfbacks had very few options with ball in hand. All they could do on Sunday was pass to man next to them, put a looping ball over the top of the man next to them, to miss them out, but because we are so flat the 2nd guy out needed to be stood still in order to catch it as there was no depth, or the only other option was a kick. 

Whether you blame the rest of the players for not providing options in attack, or the halfbacks for not telling the runners where they need to be running is debatable.

Hooley has been the one man that has provided that run from deep to provide an option in attack and something for the opposition defenders to think about.

Given the experience in the team, I don't think the players we have, should need telling to stand deeper in attack and run on to the ball at angles to create options for the ball players. However, we never struggled with this with Gilmore in the halves and Lingard in charge.

take a fullback out and you lose shape 

 

As for woods i am sure he did a 40/20 on Sunday and the kicking game was excellent ,you have your opinion and i have mine but if woods wasn't in the side we would be in a relegation dogfight without doubt.

Set up 75%of tries and a kicking average for goal above 80%

As for Gilmore what exactly did he do on Sunday 

[DOGFATHER]

22 minutes ago, seen it before said:

take a fullback out and you lose shape 

 

As for woods i am sure he did a 40/20 on Sunday and the kicking game was excellent ,you have your opinion and i have mine but if woods wasn't in the side we would be in a relegation dogfight without doubt.

Set up 75%of tries and a kicking average for goal above 80%

As for Gilmore what exactly did he do on Sunday 

I don't disagree with you. Gilmore has been distinctly average against us in the 3 games this season. As I say, it is a debatable point, should the halfbacks have to tell players where they need to be running? I would argue not, given the experience in the team. However, something needs change. I'm certainly not in the "Woods berating club", but creativity wise on Sunday, we offered very little in attack.

[phildog]

 Just a comparison regarding our attacking and defensive record; we've scored 364, an average of 17 points a game (only 1 team, Dewsbury have scored less). Our defensive record of 459 conceded is 20 points a game, so basically we're losing every game 17-20, only 3 points a match. Perhaps we should take heart from the fact that EVERY club below us has a far greater points against column. So basically if we could have scored 4 points more in every game....

[seen it before]

Phildog

 

Take away Wakefield and all the others are extremely tight and can all beat each other on there day .

We didnt attack well on Sunday but neither did widnes  sometimes defenses are on top especially when your hooker is missing, fullback missing, second row at centre and center on wing.

 

I would rather watch tight 8-12 games than a 20 / 30 point margin 

[phildog]

SIAB....Unless it's us winning by 20 or 30!

[Keep The Faith]

2 hours ago, seen it before said:

Phildog

 

Take away Wakefield and all the others are extremely tight and can all beat each other on there day .

We didnt attack well on Sunday but neither did widnes  sometimes defenses are on top especially when your hooker is missing, fullback missing, second row at centre and center on wing.

 

I would rather watch tight 8-12 games than a 20 / 30 point margin 

Correct, 

also we seem to struggle without Gledhill in the forwards when he isn’t in 

hopefully we can learn from our mistakes and go again in the next few weeks set up for 2025 also 

[phildog]

It's basically a 3 game finish, we need to win both home games which will leave us decent, win at Shoddysal, really upset them and we'll think it a good season.

[Dog forever]

18 hours ago, The scrim reaper said:

Sorry but for me woods is average at best and and far too inconsistent! He's supposed to be the game organiser and main ball player but he's far too slow and predictable when he has the ball, as for the coaching How's about thinking out the box for a bit, what about a ball over top 4th tackle for the wingers and centers to chase especially going downhill or taking the line on more often or attempting a 40/20  all things that they should'nt have to think about! 

 

 

 

All the tactics you mention have been put on forum several times ,but still same old same old every game. We are boringly so predictable. When we throw the ball about and back up we look decent. 

[Blind side johnny]

For some reasons mistaken posts can't be deleted. Apologies!

Edited September 4 by Blind side johnny
Stupid forum!

[Blind side johnny]

On 03/09/2024 at 11:43, seen it before said:

Phildog

 

Take away Wakefield and all the others are extremely tight and can all beat each other on there day .

We didnt attack well on Sunday but neither did widnes  sometimes defenses are on top especially when your hooker is missing, fullback missing, second row at centre and center on wing.

 

I would rather watch tight 8-12 games than a 20 / 30 point margin 

Every single club has had injuries during the season - it evens out.

[phildog]

BSJ, that depends on the squad you have, we don't even know who's still at the club and who isn't! We see 21 names in the squad, we almost know who WON'T play and also wonder about those who aren't on the list!

[Blind side johnny]

11 hours ago, phildog said:

BSJ, that depends on the squad you have, we don't even know who's still at the club and who isn't! We see 21 names in the squad, we almost know who WON'T play and also wonder about those who aren't on the list!

Same at most clubs, again, PD. Those that do communicate well are the exception, not the norm (unless its just a Heavy Woollen thing).

[phildog]

Must be a HW thing BSJ.

[Keep The Faith]

3 hours ago, phildog said:

Must be a HW thing BSJ.

Why? Batley haven’t had many injuries and when they have moxon has mentioned it on the radio or interviews 

 

stop been petty