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#21 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:54 PM

Really sad news. It is a shame that he did it in the manner he did, but good news that Carmont wasn't injured. He will be missed by England, at this rate we should try Widdop at 6, Sam at 7 and Wellens at 1. Here's hoping he comes back as good as ever.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 10:22 PM

QUOTE (Loiner @ Sep 13 2010, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least there is some decent folk on this forum.

Whatever.

How would you feel if was Carmont looking at six months out because of what Maguire did? I wouldn't for minute suggest that Maguire deserved his injury, or it's justice of any kind - I'm just saying if he hadn't have cheated, he wouldn't have got hurt. End of.
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#23 sallywt

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 06:57 AM

QUOTE (1976PMJwires @ Sep 13 2010, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No need at all.

Comment is poor and nasty.


Unlike his coach claiming that something nasty had happened to him in back play after he had made the illegal tackle. Haven't heard an apology for that yet have we?

#24 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:06 AM

QUOTE (sallywt @ Sep 14 2010, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unlike his coach claiming that something nasty had happened to him in back play after he had made the illegal tackle. Haven't heard an apology for that yet have we?

And should we.
It's the first time I've ever heard Bluey make negative comments after a game.
Does Justin Morgan apologise for his comments or Terry Matterson for his.They are two of the most vocal coaches in Super League.
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#25 FullFat

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:24 AM

All this Danny McGuire is a cheat stuff is ridiculous. Is every player who commits an offence and gives a penalty away a cheat? Will they all be castigated in the same manner? He pulled somebody back off the ball! Wow that is terrible and has never before been done by any team. For goodness sake grow up people.

He commited an offence a penalty was given (for either that one or a perfectly legitimate tackle by Donald on Richards) and Wigan got the chance to win the game which unfortunately for them they couldn't take. If this had occurred in the 16th minute and not the 80th people wouldn't even be talking about it.

It's not nice to see any player suffering a serious injury (how foolish do the "he was faking being injured" brigade feel) and as an English rugby league fan I'm disappointed he is as our already slim 4 nations chances have further diminished

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Sep 13 2010, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Leeds Rhinos' bid for a fourth successive engage Super League title has suffered a major blow with the loss of stand-off Danny McGuire.

The 27-year-old sustained a knee injury in the closing stages of the champions' 27-26 play-off victory over Wigan on Sunday and scans have revealed he needs to undergo surgery.

He has been ruled out until the start of next season, which also represents a big blow for England's prospects in the Four Nations Series in Australia and New Zealand.

http://www.sportingl..._Nightlead.html

With his current form I think this is a big blow for Leeds and England.

Who will play 6 for England, Tomkins I think with Widdop at full back then Eastmond and Myler to cover 7.
leeds will miss him.england wont.dont forget it's nz and australia where up against.


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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:40 AM

QUOTE (FullFat @ Sep 14 2010, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All this Danny McGuire is a cheat stuff is ridiculous. Is every player who commits an offence and gives a penalty away a cheat? Will they all be castigated in the same manner? He pulled somebody back off the ball! Wow that is terrible and has never before been done by any team. For goodness sake grow up people.

He commited an offence a penalty was given (for either that one or a perfectly legitimate tackle by Donald on Richards) and Wigan got the chance to win the game which unfortunately for them they couldn't take. If this had occurred in the 16th minute and not the 80th people wouldn't even be talking about it.

It's not nice to see any player suffering a serious injury (how foolish do the "he was faking being injured" brigade feel) and as an English rugby league fan I'm disappointed he is as our already slim 4 nations chances have further diminished


great summary. as a player myself you will do anything to win.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 08:19 AM

QUOTE (terrywebbisgod @ Sep 14 2010, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does Justin Morgan apologise for his comments or Terry Matterson for his.They are two of the most vocal coaches in Super League.
Life goes on.


Is that really the perception?
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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#29 Dave T

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 08:23 AM

QUOTE (FullFat @ Sep 14 2010, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All this Danny McGuire is a cheat stuff is ridiculous. Is every player who commits an offence and gives a penalty away a cheat? Will they all be castigated in the same manner? He pulled somebody back off the ball! Wow that is terrible and has never before been done by any team. For goodness sake grow up people.

He commited an offence a penalty was given (for either that one or a perfectly legitimate tackle by Donald on Richards) and Wigan got the chance to win the game which unfortunately for them they couldn't take. If this had occurred in the 16th minute and not the 80th people wouldn't even be talking about it.

It's not nice to see any player suffering a serious injury (how foolish do the "he was faking being injured" brigade feel) and as an English rugby league fan I'm disappointed he is as our already slim 4 nations chances have further diminished
Excellent post.


#30 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (Kenilworth Tiger @ Sep 14 2010, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that really the perception?

Sorry, for vocal,I meant telling it how it is and not keeping quiet so they don't get a fine from the RFL.
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#31 GIANTSTRIDES

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 09:06 AM

QUOTE (FullFat @ Sep 14 2010, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All this Danny McGuire is a cheat stuff is ridiculous. Is every player who commits an offence and gives a penalty away a cheat? Will they all be castigated in the same manner? He pulled somebody back off the ball! Wow that is terrible and has never before been done by any team. For goodness sake grow up people.

He commited an offence a penalty was given (for either that one or a perfectly legitimate tackle by Donald on Richards) and Wigan got the chance to win the game which unfortunately for them they couldn't take. If this had occurred in the 16th minute and not the 80th people wouldn't even be talking about it.

It's not nice to see any player suffering a serious injury (how foolish do the "he was faking being injured" brigade feel) and as an English rugby league fan I'm disappointed he is as our already slim 4 nations chances have further diminished


Nice to keep reading the odd post that makes sense.
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#32 StevieM13

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (sallywt @ Sep 14 2010, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unlike his coach claiming that something nasty had happened to him in back play after he had made the illegal tackle. Haven't heard an apology for that yet have we?


McLennan said he wanted the footage looking at because he thought something might have gone on. Leuluai ran fort yards at speed to stand over McGuire shouting at him. How about an apology from Stuart Cummoings for some of the terrible performances from referees? Perhaps an explanation of how Alibert thought Tomkins had pushed out with his knee, or the farce at the end? Maybe why Bentham did not send Manu off? Or maybe why he did not sin bin Peter Fox? Or why Thaler robbed Crusaders of a player for 10 minutes?

#33 Blind side johnny

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 09:13 AM



It always used to be said in league: "If you aren't chaeting, you aren't trying."

Name one, just one, pro RL player who never cheats.



Sorry about DM's injury, but it will affect Leeds far more than England.


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#34 StevieM13

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 09:14 AM

QUOTE (FullFat @ Sep 14 2010, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All this Danny McGuire is a cheat stuff is ridiculous. Is every player who commits an offence and gives a penalty away a cheat? Will they all be castigated in the same manner? He pulled somebody back off the ball! Wow that is terrible and has never before been done by any team. For goodness sake grow up people.

He commited an offence a penalty was given (for either that one or a perfectly legitimate tackle by Donald on Richards) and Wigan got the chance to win the game which unfortunately for them they couldn't take. If this had occurred in the 16th minute and not the 80th people wouldn't even be talking about it.

It's not nice to see any player suffering a serious injury (how foolish do the "he was faking being injured" brigade feel) and as an English rugby league fan I'm disappointed he is as our already slim 4 nations chances have further diminished


Tomkins still won the cheat count 2-1 on the night wink.gif
McGuire is a huge loss for Leeds and England.
Let's not forget it was not an elimination play off, Wigan still have another shot at home against a side that finished 7th. And Richards missed three pots at goal and Wigan lost a 14 point lead.

#35 RP London

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE (FullFat @ Sep 14 2010, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All this Danny McGuire is a cheat stuff is ridiculous. Is every player who commits an offence and gives a penalty away a cheat? Will they all be castigated in the same manner? He pulled somebody back off the ball! Wow that is terrible and has never before been done by any team. For goodness sake grow up people.

He commited an offence a penalty was given (for either that one or a perfectly legitimate tackle by Donald on Richards) and Wigan got the chance to win the game which unfortunately for them they couldn't take. If this had occurred in the 16th minute and not the 80th people wouldn't even be talking about it.

It's not nice to see any player suffering a serious injury (how foolish do the "he was faking being injured" brigade feel) and as an English rugby league fan I'm disappointed he is as our already slim 4 nations chances have further diminished


good post... and i know i will get castigated for this bit but... was there a penaltyu given against him for this.. i thought it was for the late tackle on Pat Richards?

There are some angles of the McGuire "Challenge" that look as though he is already on his way down and he is pushing/pulling carmont becuase of it not the other way round... i;m not saying he didnt cheat but can anyone tell me if the video ref decided that was the pen as as i say i thought it was for the late on Pat Richards and no decision swas made on the McGuire incident.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE (RP London @ Sep 14 2010, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
good post... and i know i will get castigated for this bit but... was there a penaltyu given against him for this.. i thought it was for the late tackle on Pat Richards?

There are some angles of the McGuire "Challenge" that look as though he is already on his way down and he is pushing/pulling carmont becuase of it not the other way round... i;m not saying he didnt cheat but can anyone tell me if the video ref decided that was the pen as as i say i thought it was for the late on Pat Richards and no decision swas made on the McGuire incident.
No penalty was given for McGuire's challenge, although this may simply have been due to the fact that the VR decided to allow advantage and decided there was a 2nd offence in a more beneficial spot to Wigan.


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Posted 14 September 2010 - 10:10 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Sep 14 2010, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No penalty was given for McGuire's challenge, although this may simply have been due to the fact that the VR decided to allow advantage and decided there was a 2nd offence in a more beneficial spot to Wigan.

oh i agree that was a possiblity but we dont actually seem to know what the opinion on the actual incident was.. people are saying he did this but i could make a strong argument on certain angles that he was already on his way down and as you do when you fall he put his hand out.. (carmont taking a bit of a dive himself perhaps.. or that a falling mcguire grabbed hs shirt in pain etc etc etc) its certainly not clear cut in my mind.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (RP London @ Sep 14 2010, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
oh i agree that was a possiblity but we dont actually seem to know what the opinion on the actual incident was.. people are saying he did this but i could make a strong argument on certain angles that he was already on his way down and as you do when you fall he put his hand out.. (carmont taking a bit of a dive himself perhaps.. or that a falling mcguire grabbed hs shirt in pain etc etc etc) its certainly not clear cut in my mind.
Your original post made me think more about this.

If they watched it and decided that McGuire's challenge was a professional foul, but then agreed to in effect play on as Wigan were still on the attack and gained a further advantage then wouldn't that negate the foul from McGuire ie. he wouldn't be able to be binned?

I suppose it is like if somebody pulls somebody back but the team then goes on to score, the offender does not then get binned too. I wonder whether it was a case of one or the other, ie. you can't give advantage and the penalty in the Leeds half and sinbin McGuire. If you were going to bin McGuire, I wonder whether the penalty would have to have been given in Wigan's own half.

It would be very interesting to get Cummings official stance on this one.


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Posted 14 September 2010 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Sep 14 2010, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No penalty was given for McGuire's challenge, although this may simply have been due to the fact that the VR decided to allow advantage and decided there was a 2nd offence in a more beneficial spot to Wigan.


The touchjudge came on to let Alibert know he thought the tackle by Donald on Richards was late. This was after Alibert had given the scrum and feed to Leeds for Richards kicking the ball into touch.
In my opinion Donald was committed to the tackle on Richards and there was no penalty. Richards had no chance of regathering the ball because it went out of play just a few yards from where he kicked it.
As the referee had as good a view of the incident as the touch judge and he saw no penalty, I don't see why it was referred to the video referee. Watching the video at full speed it's quite clear Donald did not make a late tackle.
As the offence was not against the ball carrier, the penalty should have been on the Wigan 30 where McGuire tugged at Carmon't shirt. Moving it to any other point would be entirely subjective and guesswork.
Of course we will probably never know what the process was and who made the decision because Stuart Cummings and his match officials are completely unaccountable.



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Posted 14 September 2010 - 10:33 AM

QUOTE (StevieM13 @ Sep 14 2010, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The touchjudge came on to let Alibert know he thought the tackle by Donald on Richards was late. This was after Alibert had given the scrum and feed to Leeds for Richards kicking the ball into touch.
In my opinion Donald was committed to the tackle on Richards and there was no penalty. Richards had no chance of regathering the ball because it went out of play just a few yards from where he kicked it.
As the referee had as good a view of the incident as the touch judge and he saw no penalty, I don't see why it was referred to the video referee. Watching the video at full speed it's quite clear Donald did not make a late tackle.
As the offence was not against the ball carrier, the penalty should have been on the Wigan 30 where McGuire tugged at Carmon't shirt. Moving it to any other point would be entirely subjective and guesswork.
Of course we will probably never know what the process was and who made the decision because Stuart Cummings and his match officials are completely unaccountable.

You can hear the linesman say he thought it was late, and Alibert said he thought it was fine - as it was a crucial stage, he rightly asked the VR to have a check. The VR then made the decision that Donald had tackled Richards late. I agree with you that it was a harsh call, and the slow-mo replays don't help with these calls.

Whether we agree with it or not, the call was that Donald's tackle was late, and based on that decision, the penalty was in exactly the right position (right down to Alibert making Richards move a metre back at the last second).




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