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iffleyox

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  1. they own it though - and they're ambitious. Been the perennial 'next team to go up to tier 2 and establish' for a while, though after making lots of noise with their recruitment over the summer their season so far could best be described as 'misfiring'. I think the long term plan is to be Newcastle RU's rivals. 15 clubs in N1 (16th went bust over the summer) and off the top of my head, the ones with proper grounds are - Rosslyn Park, Moseley, Plymouth Albion, Darlington, and Sale FC, which are all, oddly enough (with the exception of Darlington), List A/top flight clubs of the past.
  2. Being from there, it never ceases to amaze me how little the rest of the country knows about the West Midlands. we don’t even get the lazy, casual northern or southern stereotypes. Birmingham doesn’t ‘need’ an RL club. Add up West Brom, Blues, Villa, Warwickshire CCC. Then from RU off the top of my head, Moseley, Bees, Salts, Camp Hill, Bournville, Aston, Handsworth, FWOE, Edwardian FC, Barbarians, Birmingham CS, Harborne, Veseyans, Yardleians (and that list is the tip of the iceberg). there isn’t a well of people sitting at home waiting for RL to happen.
  3. Clubs can only be where people want one, and the people in Cov have worked hard to have one. If there wasn’t one in Coventry though you’d be putting it in Birmingham (‘in a sticking pins in maps’ approach) because Coventry is in Birmingham’s catchment…. If Rhinos didn’t exist would you be saying ‘doesn’t matter they can watch Trin’? Anyway, lots of Union played in Birmingham, as befits the only big city in the country to have kept its grammar schools and the 11+… good luck
  4. They did, but now, Wheldon Road knocks Langtree Park and the DW into a cocked hat for being a great place to watch rugby league this century. And I have been to all three even though I'm a soft southerner. It's a shame that it has been achieved by standing still/falling down some more and leapfrogging the soulless new-builds (though, FWIW for my money LP/TW is one of the better efforts) but there we are.
  5. exactly, ramshackle ground full to bursting, or half empty flat pack identikit stadium? There's a reason baseball fans like Fenway Park, or (when it was still clinging on) football fans envied Southampton having the Dell. Wheldon Road has got atmosphere in buckets. Probably rainwater as well, but it's a great place, and doesn't discredit the league on TV.
  6. I don't know, I'm a casual viewer from a non heartlands area with no local club and I like watching Cas on TV. Even better is being there live, when it's the best atmosphere in Super League. And I don't even support them.
  7. I hesitated before posting this, but I'll start by saying I mean this as no slur on Rob Burrow in the slightest. I think in general (and before everyone pulls out the what abouts I don't agree with those either*) things named after people are best named after those people a good few years after they've died. Those blue plaques on houses can only go up 20 years after death, or past the named person's hundredth birthday for a variety of what seem to me to be good reasons. Otherwise you end up shamefacedly pulling statues down (Jimmy Saville comes to mind) or having to rename things again. Again, that is absolutely not casting aspersions in the direction of the subject of this thread, I just think it should be a blanket practice. *the worst, usually in football, are those who pay for a stadium and name it after themselves. 50 years ago they'd have at least had the class to name it after their mum or dad or something.
  8. yes, essentially the first question in branding is 'does it work in/as a circle?' these days not a fan, but you only have to see the amount of use in thumbnails all over the internet to see why it's important to fit in with what's become the default standard.
  9. I agree it's a big issue. On the other hand, nothing is more defensive and 'we'll hold what we've got and that'll do' than moving days so no one's forced to choose. Unfortunately the pro game, in setting itself up to stay afloat, also makes it as difficult as possible for anyone not from the heartlands who discovers it to watch it live. So the circle goes round again, and every year more of the existing fans peel off to do something else or die.
  10. I did say I can think of the reasons why not to do it! On the other hand, what if the already struggling professional game dies off because it isn't played in the peak times when people can watch it? I would actually be really interested to see the venn diagrams of the average fan watching pro rugby league and either watching or playing amateur (now, not they played in the past). Not because I'm trying to prove a point, but because I'd genuinely like to know what the reality is.
  11. I would have a read if I were you. Argentina was (though both sides have an interest in playing it down) well within the British sphere of influence - Britain built all the railways, controlled most of the large companies, set up the sports clubs. There's a man down my street who was of the last generation of British children to grow up (in the 40s and 50s) in what was a large financial/agricultural/technical British expat community there. It's the reason they've got a Hurlingham Club, and play polo and football. Similar in Brazil (to a lesser extent) but absolutely Argentina. Histories of the British Empire usually have a chapter on 'Britain's empire in South America' Argentina, and you could probably start a massive fight by saying this but it's true, was about one down from being a British Protectorate. It only didn't need to be a Protectorate because it had it's own functioning government and it suited everybody to keep it informal.
  12. Totally get that - maybe they could swap and the amateurs play Sunday for the locals and the pros play Saturday so more people from around the country can go and watch? I can see all sorts of reasons why that won't work (or would be resisted) obviously, but if you were trying to have a joined up sport you wouldn't start from amateurs in the prime slot and pros playing on the margins....
  13. Oh well in which case Super League fans won’t mind if their teams are replaced with big city franchises - Wigan, Saints etc will still exist, they will just operate in a different structure…
  14. As I suggested, Thursday nights are a function of the Sky money. I would however suggest that more coffers would be swelled if more matches were played on more Saturdays. Not all of them.
  15. Was actually replying to Bearman but you got in ahead of me - anyway the advice stands, hopefully you won’t need it but some club somewhere will make you welcome if you do. It helped that the first few matches we /I wore Oxford polo shirts etc because it’s a good ice breaker when people know you’re not from round there and ask you what on Earth you’re doing in a backstreet Wakefield pub* *although that might just have been Wakefield…
  16. seriously, if you can bear it (no pun intended) just pick another team. It sounds mental, and I had no intention of doing it. I told the story a long time ago on here somewhere but my first Super League match was just as Oxford were folding and me and some friends stuck a pin in a map and went to Wakefield v Wigan. The welcome we got in the pubs around the ground, and on the terraces, was so good that even as my club collapsed and the taste in my mouth grew bitterer, I knew where I was going when the dust settled. Which is how a southern public schoolboy with no connections that I know of to Yorkshire ended up as a Wakefield Trinity fan. I chose Trin, in the same way I chose rugby league. I certainly wasn't born to either of them.
  17. Having been there and got that t-shirt (see profile picture) I was initially totally hacked off with the sport, but also scratched the itch by going to occasional SL matches every season. This takes planning, because every match is an overnight stay and the reluctance to play on Saturday afternoons can make it a mission for non heartlands fans to actually get there (especially on trains).* anyway, I'm still hacked off at the sport, don't have sky, and haven't been to a live match since 2018 (got married in 2019, and obviously last/this year have not been normal) but have settled into being mostly a Trin fan, and otherwise a sort of itinerant neutral around the grounds. *as an aside, the Sky money has kept the game alive, but Thursdays and Sundays along the M62 are no way to do outreach to the non-locals. I know Sunday has got historic reasons for a lot of clubs, but you can't tell me the same about Thursday nights...
  18. Fallon Sherrock has cut through to people who've never even watched darts - don't underestimate the power of 'woman in a man's world' angled news coverage.
  19. not really (without going cross code), it's been silly for over a decade now probably. Plenty of grants if you're at level 9 for clubhouses, etc, pretty good at level 2 until this season, everyone in between can shift for themselves. I wouldn't suggest anyone look at the RFU pyramid for lessons of what can be done to be honest - - level 3 on no central funding to speak of covers Plymouth up to Darlington for 16 clubs - as I said, RFU level 3 funding is a 'travel contribution' which AIUI doesn't come close to what has been proposed RFL L1's funding is cut *to*. Level 4 is split north south, which sounds better, until I had a quick look at the table just now and realised that while N2 South doesn't go north of Leicester, it's also true to say it doesn't go east of Canterbury, West of Redruth, or south of Guernsey... I think there's just more money, or at least more idiots prepared to spend their money, on a hell of a lot of travelling at low levels of the pyramid on that side of the fence.
  20. er, about this funding 'which pays for a lot of the travelling'? asking for several hundred clubs... For info, level three now only gets 'a contribution towards travel costs' as the sum total of its central funding. And IIRC that's forfeited if you pay over the cap on salary, which everyone does... at level 4 at least one club has already said this season that it will be picking and choosing its away matches based on whether they can afford to travel to them, and then at level 4 and below there's an almighty row going on in various regional leagues about the cost of travelling to Guernsey and the Isle of Man.
  21. famous case being my own Kidderminster Harriers in 93/94 - won the conference, were able to show the football league that their ground was league standard, but were prevented from promotion because the works hadn't been complete by the deadline for auditing in the February of the season that they'd just won. Robbed? Quite possibly... it was 99/00 before they finally went up.
  22. Two things: 1) I agree that Toulouse have got a good case but let's not oversell it. It's a nice place, I've been there, but it doesn't *sound* particularly glamorous/have glamorous associations and while I don't doubt for a millisecond that more people in the UK could point to Toulouse on a map than could point to Featherstone, my hunch is that the overwhelming majority wouldn't be able to point to either. So let's not get carried away about 'headline grabbing' 2) it will be interesting to see how the economics stack up for away fans (can't quite believe I'm opening that can of worms, albeit with a twist) - at the moment, the trip to Catalans is a highlight for some fans, whether they go every year or save up to do it once to say they've been. I wonder to what extent they'll suffer with away fans, such as there are, going somewhere else instead? Anyway, I don't really mind who wins, so I'm not being anti-Toulouse with any of that, just things I've been thinking about.
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