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7 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Depends if they actually have money to put in, if so, they know a crowd is there so we will find out next season if they are serious about being a challenger. If not, my worry is that they continue to get pumped until the crowds sink to levels that make it not worth it. 

They’ve said all along that they want to use a significant number of Cornish players, not just pay for Northern and Aussie players to play for them, which is an admirable stance but is obviously going to take longer than buying better players in. Hopefully as that is the case the local crowds will stick with them. 

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5 minutes ago, Eddie said:

They’ve said all along that they want to use a significant number of Cornish players, not just pay for Northern and Aussie players to play for them, which is an admirable stance but is obviously going to take longer than buying better players in. Hopefully as that is the case the local crowds will stick with them. 

But as you said before they will just get pumped until noone watches. Unless they are going to shell out for an academy , which seems like an unwise investment when still in league 1, then you kind of half to pack your team with northerners with a few local players until your a decade down the line. 

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49 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

But as you said before they will just get pumped until noone watches. Unless they are going to shell out for an academy , which seems like an unwise investment when still in league 1, then you kind of half to pack your team with northerners with a few local players until your a decade down the line. 

I agree, it’s a tough one isn’t it. If they’re all Northern / Aussie they’ll get slated for it like TWP did for not having any Canadians, but if they pick a load of Cornish players they’ll get whacked every week. 

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1 hour ago, Eddie said:

They’ve said all along that they want to use a significant number of Cornish players, not just pay for Northern and Aussie players to play for them

Perez said the same about Toronto and the same about Ottawa. He didn't mean it then, and he doesn't mean it now. 

He just knows that if he says it he'll get some good vibes from a section of the rugby league community for his new venture. We fall for it each time. 

In reality, Toronto taught him all he needs to know about how to make a success of a team in virgin territory, and it ain't trying to convert a bunch of recreational level union players. 

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34 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

Perez said the same about Toronto and the same about Ottawa. He didn't mean it then, and he doesn't mean it now. 

He just knows that if he says it he'll get some good vibes from a section of the rugby league community for his new venture. We fall for it each time. 

In reality, Toronto taught him all he needs to know about how to make a success of a team in virgin territory, and it ain't trying to convert a bunch of recreational level union players. 

To be fair Cornwall have signed a number of local players and are struggling, while TWP didn’t and were instantly successful, so I’m prepared to give Perez the benefit of the doubt here. 

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45 minutes ago, Eddie said:

To be fair Cornwall have signed a number of local players and are struggling, while TWP didn’t and were instantly successful, so I’m prepared to give Perez the benefit of the doubt here. 

I think that just reflects that Cornwall's current backers don't have the deep pockets that Toronto or even the nascent Ottawa did. Or they haven't wanted to dig too deep yet, until the prospects are clearer. 

It'll take years to develop even a handful of their own players and even then they might not be good enough. You don't even have to go as far as Toronto to see that, London and Newcastle have only ever kicked on when they've had a full time core. 

I see no reason why Cornwall would be any different. 

Now I don't have any problem with that. With Cornish Pirates winding down their full time status, there's potentially a huge opportunity for RL here if the owners are willing and able to seize it. But that will involve moving to a full time core sharpish. 

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But it's not just as east as "holding your nerve" for 10 years while you get beaten up as you develop younger local players.

I think that unless you can get a full squad in "one hit", any emerging gems are going to get cherry picked by the other league 1 sides and higher teams and you never quite get that critical mass you aspire to. My sense - no names to hand - is that this happened to WWR and all the previous incarnations of the side and a mix of better RL teams and the "call of union" soaked up any emerging talent.

 

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4 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

But as you said before they will just get pumped until noone watches. Unless they are going to shell out for an academy , which seems like an unwise investment when still in league 1, then you kind of half to pack your team with northerners with a few local players until your a decade down the line. 

League 1 sides are not permitted an Academy - or reserve sides.There is not any League 1 side that has them.

Rich get richer  poor get poorer.

Just concentrate on Super League clubs - they need all the money,crowds,help.

Not a level playing field.All things ain't equal.

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1 minute ago, Angelic Cynic said:

League 1 sides are not permitted an Academy - or reserve sides.There is not any League 1 side that has them.

Rich get richer  poor get poorer.

Just concentrate on Super League clubs - they need all the money,crowds,help.

Not a level playing field.All things ain't equal.

London Skolars have junior sides. Granted, not an Academy as we know them elsewhere but they have a pathway. Whether that could be said of other clubs at that level can say that, regardless of their postcode, I’m not sure. 

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16 minutes ago, Jughead said:

London Skolars have junior sides. Granted, not an Academy as we know them elsewhere but they have a pathway. Whether that could be said of other clubs at that level can say that, regardless of their postcode, I’m not sure. 

And a reserve side usually 

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On 16/05/2022 at 19:25, Jughead said:

A five team league and a twenty-odd team league with huge disparity, makes sense, does it?

If you read what I said I said “below the championship “

If we are talking semi professional teams not existing amateur teams I am not sure where your “twenty odd” northern teams comes from

I agree that 5 southern clubs would be a problem and said that as well

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22 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Doncaster is the closest away trip for Midlands Hurricanes. Begs the question, which league would Doncaster and Hurricanes be in 

Exactly right. Any southern conference border line could be flexible 

it is in football with changes made using a bit of common sense to keep it balanced 

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1 hour ago, headtackle said:

Exactly right. Any southern conference border line could be flexible 

it is in football with changes made using a bit of common sense to keep it balanced 

I understand what you’re saying, but making say Swinton play against Brentwood Eels and Swindon St George just because they’re slightly south of all the other league one clubs along the M62 wouldn’t seem fair either. 

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1 hour ago, headtackle said:

Exactly right. Any southern conference border line could be flexible 

it is in football with changes made using a bit of common sense to keep it balanced 

Gloucester City, Hereford, Oxford City, Bishop’s Stortford, Lowestoft Town and Histon have all at one point or another played in the Conference North, common sense is not always prevalent in non-league football. 

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34 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Gloucester City, Hereford, Oxford City, Bishop’s Stortford, Lowestoft Town and Histon have all at one point or another played in the Conference North, common sense is not always prevalent in non-league football. 

Must admit Lowestoft is pushing it a bit

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6 hours ago, Eddie said:

I agree, it’s a tough one isn’t it. If they’re all Northern / Aussie they’ll get slated for it like TWP did for not having any Canadians, but if they pick a load of Cornish players they’ll get whacked every week. 

Theyd get slated regardless,  every other professional sport has players from outside region.  

Spend the money required,  get the central funding from being in second tier then start to sprinkle locals around class.  

One for everyone,  can someone tell me the last UK expansion team that came in able to generate money with a squad built to be competitive from the start? 

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7 hours ago, Eddie said:

They’ve said all along that they want to use a significant number of Cornish players, not just pay for Northern and Aussie players to play for them, which is an admirable stance but is obviously going to take longer than buying better players in. Hopefully as that is the case the local crowds will stick with them. 

That has to be the way to go though for any new side who want to grow sustainably and develop the game locally.

It's just a pity we don't have more development clubs to make it easier for clubs like Cornwall, West Wales and London Skolars to grow and develop local players.

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24 minutes ago, headtackle said:

Must admit Lowestoft is pushing it a bit

It's further north than Gloucester (just), I believe.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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