In danger of slipping into relegation battle

[Sailaway]

The transfer deadline for this season closes tonight. Swinton have signed another prop this week but a creative half back would have been many fans preference. There must not be any around that are willing to join the fray.

[wayner]

I agree the lack of a quality stand off is now biting hard - Hall always gives 100 % and will play anywhere he is asked to play but he isn't a stand off and Spencer is a young prospect and neither player is a replacement for Patton who was the key pivot for the team. 

The performances have suffered as a result

Loan and DR's won't do it as they are either young reserve super league players or aren't with the club long enough to get established.

But the team seem to play best when the pressure is on so I hope we can win next week at Batley.

[Mark]

Hall and Bennion to widnes for next year, be interesting to see what happens with players being announced as leaving and the position Whitehaven are in. I am struggling to see where the next victory is coming from 

[Sailaway]

Hall will be a big loss as he has been a valuable player for various clubs over the years. Bennion has been injury prone and not fulfilled his  potential. Never mind, Swinton have loaned a winger from Cornwall for the rest of the season so everything will be fine.

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by Sailaway

[wayner]

Yes very sorry to see Hall leave - he is a really good player - I agree Bennion has been unlucky with injury but I also think he hasn't fulfilled his potential.

Yes I also think it strange we sign a winger on loan when its a standoff we need

As for the next win - well Batley of course - lets hope that's true.

[coolie]

On 21/07/2024 at 21:14, Haven 123 said:

Wouldn’t worry mate yous are far to good to go down.

Apparently not

Can't believe you've robbed us of a local derby

Got to say last night's game was my 

"game of the season" 

Should have been at Old Trafford in front of thousands. 

Great advert for life outside super league

P.S

MISSING PERSON

Concern is growing for Mackenzie Heaton as he's not been seen in the last 24 hours

 

[wayner]

Yes for the neutral fans it was a wonderful advert for Championship rugby.

Sadly, Swinton played as they have played all season - and failed again to close out the game when they were ahead.

I do not want to take anything from Hunslet they played well, stuck to their game plan and deserved the win.

As for Swinton - can't see us getting back into the Championship anytime soon, we will lose most of the squad - already rumoured that 14 players were leaving before last night's result. Others will definitely now leave as the budget will be far less in League 1  - so building a promotion winning team won't be easy.

There are two plus factors - get to play Rochdale again and the opportunity of a long weekend in Cornwall (should they continue next season).

[coolie]

So with relegation 

What happens to the 200k in loans that's been taken out?? 

I presume they have to be paid back

[Joe 90]

57 minutes ago, wayner said:

Yes for the neutral fans it was a wonderful advert for Championship rugby.

Sadly, Swinton played as they have played all season - and failed again to close out the game when they were ahead.

I do not want to take anything from Hunslet they played well, stuck to their game plan and deserved the win.

As for Swinton - can't see us getting back into the Championship anytime soon, we will lose most of the squad - already rumoured that 14 players were leaving before last night's result. Others will definitely now leave as the budget will be far less in League 1  - so building a promotion winning team won't be easy.

There are two plus factors - get to play Rochdale again and the opportunity of a long weekend in Cornwall (should they continue next season).

I hope that you don't get the Cornwall fixture on a bank holiday (as Rochdale have had for the past two years ) Its a nightmare trip 

[HornyHornyHorneeet]

30 minutes ago, coolie said:

So with relegation 

What happens to the 200k in loans that's been taken out?? 

I presume they have to be paid back

Killshaw will be made the scapegoat it would seem. but serious questions surely need to be asked about the running of and sustainability of a club that's having to go cap in hand to its local authority like that....

[coolie]

45 minutes ago, HornyHornyHorneeet said:

Killshaw will be made the scapegoat it would seem. but serious questions surely need to be asked about the running of and sustainability of a club that's having to go cap in hand to its local authority like that....

There's a few teams in the mire and some in danger of been "non runners" come the start of the 2025 season.. Nobody wants to see any teams go under.. But the game is starting to suffer sustaining the fat, when increasingly bringing less and less to the table, for me needs to be one division. 

[Bring back GB]

2 hours ago, wayner said:

Yes for the neutral fans it was a wonderful advert for Championship rugby.

Sadly, Swinton played as they have played all season - and failed again to close out the game when they were ahead.

I do not want to take anything from Hunslet they played well, stuck to their game plan and deserved the win.

As for Swinton - can't see us getting back into the Championship anytime soon, we will lose most of the squad - already rumoured that 14 players were leaving before last night's result. Others will definitely now leave as the budget will be far less in League 1  - so building a promotion winning team won't be easy.

There are two plus factors - get to play Rochdale again and the opportunity of a long weekend in Cornwall (should they continue next season).

As a Barrow fan I'm quite gutted for Swinton. You've had some incredible results this year and should never be relegated after finishing 3rd bottom. Ridiculous situation dreamt up by the inept RFL.

[HornyHornyHorneeet]

16 minutes ago, coolie said:

There's a few teams in the mire and some in danger of been "non runners" come the start of the 2025 season.. Nobody wants to see any teams go under.. But the game is starting to suffer sustaining the fat, when increasingly bringing less and less to the table, for me needs to be one division. 

Would agree, all in one or go to a conference type structure which has been muted.

[HornyHornyHorneeet]

15 minutes ago, Bring back GB said:

As a Barrow fan I'm quite gutted for Swinton. You've had some incredible results this year and should never be relegated after finishing 3rd bottom. Ridiculous situation dreamt up by the inept RFL.

They haven't been relegated from finishing 3rd bottom, they have been relegated for being unable to beat the team that finished 4th in League 1 in a play off game a home.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2024 by HornyHornyHorneeet

[Robert the Builder]

3 hours ago, HornyHornyHorneeet said:

Killshaw will be made the scapegoat it would seem. but serious questions surely need to be asked about the running of and sustainability of a club that's having to go cap in hand to its local authority like that....

Oh dear oh dear - didn’t take you long to get your knife out eh Andy? Mmm….. How would you respond to a similar statement that someone might make? Like - “Serious questions surely need to be asked about the motives of a club chairman masquerading as a fan on a message board, undermining the running of another club……..?”

[HornyHornyHorneeet]

21 minutes ago, Robert the Builder said:

Oh dear oh dear - didn’t take you long to get your knife out eh Andy? Mmm….. How would you respond to a similar statement that someone might make? Like - “Serious questions surely need to be asked about the motives of a club chairman masquerading as a fan on a message board, undermining the running of another club……..?”

 

25 minutes ago, Robert the Builder said:

Oh dear oh dear - didn’t take you long to get your knife out eh Andy? Mmm….. How would you respond to a similar statement that someone might make? Like - “Serious questions surely need to be asked about the motives of a club chairman masquerading as a fan on a message board, undermining the running of another club……..?”

Now I'm no legal expert but suggest an allegation like this in the public domain could be libellous. Especially seeing as its 100% factually incorrect and I am not Andy or indeed anyone else 'officially' involved at Hornets.

 

 

[wayner]

Actually, I think there are several super league clubs that have made significant losses in the last year and even the RL posted a rather large operating loss.

I applaud the club getting funding from where ever / whom ever they can and Salford have certainly benefitted from the financial support of the council - so why not Swinton.

The loans have to be paid back and I am sure they will be.

As for the future of rugby league below Super League - I see as being bleak

[HornyHornyHorneeet]

11 hours ago, wayner said:

Actually, I think there are several super league clubs that have made significant losses in the last year and even the RL posted a rather large operating loss.

I applaud the club getting funding from where ever / whom ever they can and Salford have certainly benefitted from the financial support of the council - so why not Swinton.

The loans have to be paid back and I am sure they will be.

As for the future of rugby league below Super League - I see as being bleak

That's all good then....

Personally I wouldn't be applauding my club for borrowing money (presumably incurring interest) and creating liabilities in an attempt to stay in the higher division at a time when central revenues and distributions are at an all time low. 

You would presume your revenues will now be further impacted and significantly reduced by relegation.

Wish you all the best as nobody wants to see this current trend of clubs getting into financial difficulties continue. 

Edited October 15, 2024 by HornyHornyHorneeet

[coolie]

40 minutes ago, HornyHornyHorneeet said:

That's all good then....

Personally I wouldn't be applauding my club for borrowing money (presumably incurring interest) and creating liabilities in an attempt to stay in the higher division at a time when central revenues and distributions are at an all time low. 

You would presume your revenues will now be impacted and significantly reduced by relegation.

Wish you all the best as nobody wants to see this current trend of clubs getting into financial difficulties continue. 

Teams need to cut their cloth accordingly 

Don't sign overseas players, don't sign big time Charlie's, don't sign mercenaries. 

Sign local talent, give grass roots a pathway to bring their players thru the ranks so it benefits both semi pro & amateur. 

[wayner]

Can't argue with the these idea of bringing local talent through - as buying success doesn't always work as many clubs have found out - but the challenge then is assembling a squad of local talent that is capable of competing in the Championship and Swinton have done this with players like Atkin, Badrock, Ashton, Hansen, Halton, Hatton, Brogan that have all moved on to bigger clubs after a few seasons with us.

Then we have developed players like Marshall, Smith and other DR players that now are playing international rugby.

Thus we and all clubs in the lower divisions just become feeder clubs for SL clubs with no prospect of ever reaching SL or winning the Challenge Cup (due to the seeding system).

So its really difficult the have business model that will result in long term success and I said Super League Clubs are posting heaving operating losses - but while there is no relegation they can continue to borrow heavily and pay off their loans !

[HornyHornyHorneeet]

2 hours ago, wayner said:

Can't argue with the these idea of bringing local talent through - as buying success doesn't always work as many clubs have found out - but the challenge then is assembling a squad of local talent that is capable of competing in the Championship and Swinton have done this with players like Atkin, Badrock, Ashton, Hansen, Halton, Hatton, Brogan that have all moved on to bigger clubs after a few seasons with us.

Then we have developed players like Marshall, Smith and other DR players that now are playing international rugby.

Thus we and all clubs in the lower divisions just become feeder clubs for SL clubs with no prospect of ever reaching SL or winning the Challenge Cup (due to the seeding system).

So its really difficult the have business model that will result in long term success and I said Super League Clubs are posting heaving operating losses - but while there is no relegation they can continue to borrow heavily and pay off their loans !

All those you name are products of the Widnes, Leigh and Rochdale community game signed due to previous coaches / chairmen's connections.

Swinton isn't bringing through those talents, you have just been a convenience for them to play some Championship rugby and then move on to bigger and better.

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by HornyHornyHorneeet

[coolie]

18 minutes ago, HornyHornyHorneeet said:

All those you name are products of the Widnes, Leigh and Rochdale community game signed due to previous coaches / chairmen's connections.

Swinton isn't bringing through those talents, you have just been a convenience for them to play some Championship rugby and then move on to bigger and better.

 

Look at the bucket full of money Doncaster blew this season, to finish where?? Out of the 6 and only a few places above relegation. 

Next season they will have to pitch in the same money just to stand still, but how long can a team sustain that before they're dragged down to league 1,the model is flawed and the system encourages BOOM Or BUST to avoid relegation, that's not a healthy outlook. 

[Mark]

48 minutes ago, HornyHornyHorneeet said:

All those you name are products of the Widnes, Leigh and Rochdale community game signed due to previous coaches / chairmen's connections.

Swinton isn't bringing through those talents, you have just been a convenience for them to play some Championship rugby and then move on to bigger and better.

 

Wow, whoever you are, you are very bitter 

[HornyHornyHorneeet]

56 minutes ago, Mark said:

Wow, whoever you are, you are very bitter 

What's bitter about pointing out facts?

Matty Ashton was a product of the Rochdale game and Mayfield.

Badrock, Hansen, Halton and Brogan all brought through in Leigh.

Atkin and Hatton Widnes.

 

[Mark]

14 minutes ago, HornyHornyHorneeet said:

What's bitter about pointing out facts?

Matty Ashton was a product of the Rochdale game and Mayfield.

Badrock, Hansen, Halton and Brogan all brought through in Leigh.

Atkin and Hatton Widnes.

 

Never heard from you once on this forum till we got relegated and now you cant keep off it, like i said, sad and bitter 

 

As for the players, they may never have received the chance at championship/champ 1 level if it wasn't for Swinton so may have been lost to the game or still playing amateur