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#41 Lounge Room Lizard

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE (Viking Warrior @ Jun 11 2010, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why has this thread degenerated into a slanging match? surely the prowess of the widnes kids is something we can all be proud of, it just shows that youth development is the way forward for ALL clubs not just the top flight.


Great if you have a millionaire Chairman who is willing to cover costs and can fend off SL clubs sniffing local youth in the area. Sadly the likes of Halifax, Leigh, Batley, Dewsbury, Featherstone etc do not have that option and do not have the power to sign the areas best youngsters when Bradford, Huddersfield, Salford etc can offer way more money than these club have.


#42 Red Willow

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE (Lounge Room Lizard @ Jul 25 2010, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great if you have a millionaire Chairman who is willing to cover costs and can fend off SL clubs sniffing local youth in the area. Sadly the likes of Halifax, Leigh, Batley, Dewsbury, Featherstone etc do not have that option and do not have the power to sign the areas best youngsters when Bradford, Huddersfield, Salford etc can offer way more money than these club have.



The same applies to all teams, Salford can't offer what Wigan, Warrington can but such is life, just because someone might offer more doesn't mean you shouldn't try. You wouldn't have that attitude to life. It might be annoying but the likes of rich SL clubs won't take all.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Red Willow @ Jul 25 2010, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The same applies to all teams, Salford can't offer what Wigan, Warrington can but such is life, just because someone might offer more doesn't mean you shouldn't try. You wouldn't have that attitude to life. It might be annoying but the likes of rich SL clubs won't take all.


If you do not have the cash to run properly an academy for me there its not worth wasting that money. I would think that would cover most Championship teams. For example Barrow are forfeiting games with one of their Youth set ups. What good is that? Other Championship teams have been in a similar situation in the past couple of years. Whats the point in wasting time, money on things that simply are not helping the club? Barrow have more money than probably all other Championship clubs bar Widnes!

And do you run an academy with players who are very unlikely to make it? For example Halifax had an Academy that got to 3 Grand Finals in a row a couple of years ago. How many from that era went Pro with Fax? 1! James Haley. The rest are at Siddal, Keighley or teams lower than Fax. Is it worth a cash strapped championship club like Halifax, Batley, Whitehaven, Keighley etc spending money they do not have on players who are unlikely going to make it and on a team that plays in a League where other teams are forfeiting games? Its things like this that the RFL need to sort out below SL level.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 07:29 PM

QUOTE (Red Willow @ Jul 25 2010, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Widnes are a hotbed of RL and are doing great work in maintaining this and therefore should be commended.

Fans posting that this should mean a licence is as daft a lobby suggesting Leigh get one for the shape of the stadium.

In addition to Youth Development Widnes also meet other Super League licence criteria eg stadium, attendances, as well as the on field criterion for Championship clubs.

Edited by chrisl1, 25 July 2010 - 07:32 PM.


#45 The Parksider

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 11:20 PM

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In addition to Youth Development Widnes also meet other Super League licence criteria eg stadium, attendances, as well as the on field criterion for Championship clubs.


The fact that Widnes have put a lot of effort into the academy is to be congratulated. The fact the academy are doing well is great, but it doesn't prove that Widnes should therefore get an SL licence. It may be Wakefield won't get an SL licence, yet their academy has done great too.

The license system rightly requires that all SL clubs work hard to ensure that junior RL is promoted in their areas - along with RFL development officers, and that they take the best and develop them into professionals.

So Widnes are simply ticking that box. Bomb Jack is crowing about the results because he's worried Widnes may not get a licence.

Jack - top or bottom of the academy the box is ticked mate......

You have the ground and finances to see a full salary cap, rest easy.......

The SL licence is not dependant on your academy sweeping all before them!


#46 Bomb Jack

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 11:47 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Jul 26 2010, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jack - top or bottom of the academy the box is ticked mate......

You have the ground and finances to see a full salary cap, rest easy.......

The SL licence is not dependant on your academy sweeping all before them!


All the Boxes that could feesibly be ticked by a Club in our League are, but that doesn't stop me being nervous.

I know we have the " Performance " box ticked from last Season, but if we don't make the 6 this year i feel they could use it against us.

Good old RFL................
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#47 Segovia Carpet

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:01 AM

QUOTE (Viking Warrior @ Jun 9 2010, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the production line is up and running, what better way to spend money than in youth development, as opposed to the quick fix of artificial glory.


Hate to admit for once I agree with you VW.

#48 bowes

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:29 AM

QUOTE (Lounge Room Lizard @ Jul 25 2010, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you do not have the cash to run properly an academy for me there its not worth wasting that money. I would think that would cover most Championship teams. For example Barrow are forfeiting games with one of their Youth set ups. What good is that? Other Championship teams have been in a similar situation in the past couple of years. Whats the point in wasting time, money on things that simply are not helping the club? Barrow have more money than probably all other Championship clubs bar Widnes!

And do you run an academy with players who are very unlikely to make it? For example Halifax had an Academy that got to 3 Grand Finals in a row a couple of years ago. How many from that era went Pro with Fax? 1! James Haley. The rest are at Siddal, Keighley or teams lower than Fax. Is it worth a cash strapped championship club like Halifax, Batley, Whitehaven, Keighley etc spending money they do not have on players who are unlikely going to make it and on a team that plays in a League where other teams are forfeiting games? Its things like this that the RFL need to sort out below SL level.

Maybe once we have a unified structure it would be better having a setup where clubs can link in with local amateur clubs as already happens with the National Youth League? In the same way it's planned with Super League clubs linking in with Championship clubs? This would strengthen the amateur game rather than Championship clubs trying and often struggling to run reserve sides.

#49 chrisl1

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Jul 26 2010, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The fact that Widnes have put a lot of effort into the academy is to be congratulated. The fact the academy are doing well is great, but it doesn't prove that Widnes should therefore get an SL licence.

Basically you are saying the same as Red Willow's post to which I responded. Nobody has said that Widnes should get a Super League Licence because of Youth Develpoment. It is just one of the criteria.

#50 The Parksider

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Bomb Jack @ Jul 26 2010, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know we have the " Performance " box ticked from last Season, but if we don't make the 6 this year i feel they could use it against us.


You said it yourself the performance box is ticked.

But the box that you tick the most does not appear on the Franchise form.

Mr. O'Connor and his millions. In the same way Samuels was dragged into SL to spend his, so will Mr. O'Connor.

Beggar to Beggar "Hey Nigel, there's a millionaire at the door".....

"Don't just stand there Richard, invite him in and pour him a large drink"


#51 Bomb Jack

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:51 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Jul 27 2010, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You said it yourself the performance box is ticked.

But the box that you tick the most does not appear on the Franchise form.

Mr. O'Connor and his millions. In the same way Samuels was dragged into SL to spend his, so will Mr. O'Connor.

Beggar to Beggar "Hey Nigel, there's a millionaire at the door".....

"Don't just stand there Richard, invite him in and pour him a large drink"



But he was there in 2008, they didn't invite him in then. They showed him and his millions the door.............
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