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#21 Wendall

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 28 2010, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would you set a benchmark that very very few clubs have ever achieved in SL?

Surely clubs should be aiming for the 10k average as a starter, followed by steady growth?


Yeah.

I would rather Warrington build steadily than do a Bradford Bulls and go from 16,000 a game to 8,000 a game in a decade.



#22 dallymessenger

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:42 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Jul 28 2010, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah.

I would rather Warrington build steadily than do a Bradford Bulls and go from 16,000 a game to 8,000 a game in a decade.


the HJ cant fit 16,000 mate.

its nice you feel a need to brag when your club gets crowds which would be the lowest in the nrl and the club doesnt lose money

well done

#23 Dave T

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 28 2010, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the HJ cant fit 16,000 mate.

its nice you feel a need to brag when your club gets crowds which would be the lowest in the nrl and the club doesnt lose money

well done
Jeez, glad you are back. This is the kind of thing that ruined the board when you were last here.

This was a thread about a Super League club making a profit, crowds are up and they won something for the first time in donkey's years. Yet somehow you have managed to turn it into a SL v NRL comparison.

Please, go away.


#24 RP London

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 28 2010, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
c'mon

sale if anything would be classed as a competitor to salford

and wigan athelitcs closest competition is the warriors.

until the HJ is expanded and warrington can average 15,000 i think its nothing to brag about


Walt.. with the premiership the team you support now adays very rarely equates to the area you live.. as such any of the north western teams could be pulling their support from warrington and people going to watch there.

lets get it right.. thi is a great news story and their averages are fantastic compared to other teams and to what they used to have.. their aim should be to sell out the ground of course it should as should everyone elses but that doesnt mean anything else is a failure.

#25 RP London

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 28 2010, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the HJ cant fit 16,000 mate.

its nice you feel a need to brag when your club gets crowds which would be the lowest in the nrl and the club doesnt lose money

well done


SL v NRL is a, quite frankly, stupid comparison on attenances and profit.. the sports are living in totally different circumstances..

the point is that warrington are building well and in an upward trend.. this is a good thing.

#26 dallymessenger

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 02:03 PM

QUOTE (RP London @ Jul 28 2010, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SL v NRL is a, quite frankly, stupid comparison on attenances and profit.. the sports are living in totally different circumstances..

the point is that warrington are building well and in an upward trend.. this is a good thing.


Ok lets compare wires crowds to hull kr

kr share the city of hull, play in an older ground and have a strong local soccer side and only average 2000 or so less than warrington

warrington just arent a big club

this recent run of success is due to a sugar daddy and isnt sustainable

you cant build a strong SL side on crowds of just over 10,000

wires crowds were just as high a few seasons back. the CC hasnt done much.

it should be sold out each week

Edited by dallymessenger, 28 July 2010 - 02:04 PM.


#27 dallymessenger

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE (RP London @ Jul 28 2010, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Walt.. with the premiership the team you support now adays very rarely equates to the area you live.. as such any of the north western teams could be pulling their support from warrington and people going to watch there.

lets get it right.. thi is a great news story and their averages are fantastic compared to other teams and to what they used to have.. their aim should be to sell out the ground of course it should as should everyone elses but that doesnt mean anything else is a failure.


yeah so if the latics got relegated, there wouldnt be a massive rise in the warriors gates?

course there would

some clubs are stronger than others

warrington strike me as a lazy club

#28 foozler

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 28 2010, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok lets compare wires crowds to hull kr

kr share the city of hull, play in an older ground and have a strong local soccer side and only average 2000 or so less than warrington

warrington just arent a big club

this recent run of success is due to a sugar daddy and isnt sustainable

you cant build a strong SL side on crowds of just over 10,000

wires crowds were just as high a few seasons back. the CC hasn't done much.

it should be sold out each week


When comparing Warrington with Hull, you need to keep some figures in mind:

Warrington town pop approx 90,000
Hull city pop approx 260,000

Warrington is pretty much equidistant between Liverpool and Manchester (18 and 20 miles respectively) and the obvious attractions of Premier League soccer. For those lost souls who want it, top flight rugby union at Sale is 20 miles away.

Hull is 60 miles from Leeds and almost 100 miles from the nearest Premier soccer city, Manchester. There is no top flight RU within 60 miles and I would question the statement that Hull City is a strong team.

With regards to sugar daddies, of course we'd like all clubs everywhere to be self sufficient. However that is just not going to happen; I'd be interested to know what would happen to South Sydney if Russell Crowe were to walk away from it all.

Edited by foozler, 28 July 2010 - 03:36 PM.


#29 Wendall

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 28 2010, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah so if the latics got relegated, there wouldnt be a massive rise in the warriors gates?

course there would

some clubs are stronger than others

warrington strike me as a lazy club


Not really. Look at Wigan rugby's crowds when Latics were a nomark 2nd division team, both clubs have totally different fanbases to a large extent. Most Latics fans would or never have any interest in RL.

Warrington aren't lazy they are quite proactive in the community. Theres a lot more to the club besides RL http://www.warringto...lps_with_money/



#30 Wendall

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:17 PM

QUOTE (foozler @ Jul 28 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With regards to sugar daddies, of course we'd like all clubs everywhere to be self sufficient. However that is just not going to happen; I'd be interested to know what would happen to South Sydney if Russell Crowe were to walk away from it all.


Souths would survive but would not be as bigger club without a celebrity owner and worldwide icon.



#31 Dave T

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:25 PM

Jesus, please say this board isn't going to be like this from now on. On the positive side, it will mean I will get a lot more done at work.

#32 Wilderspoolmemories

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:51 PM

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and the cap ?

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Challenge cups and league leaders shields everywhere! We need more silver polish!

#33 widnesvikings

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:59 PM

Wendell you are right in what you say, rugby league clubs are not run to make massive profits, you would be lucky to run even in most cases, its great to see the other Cheshire side have a little bit of fame for a while, whilst Widnes take a rest .but seriously well done wire you deserve you big club status. Donít let these jealous people knock your club for being successful. Hopefully in 2012 we the Widnes Vikings could give you a helping hand in making your attendance average a tad higher. And maybe in the future Cheshire might come to dominate the super league.
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#34 dallymessenger

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Jul 28 2010, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not really. Look at Wigan rugby's crowds when Latics were a nomark 2nd division team, both clubs have totally different fanbases to a large extent. Most Latics fans would or never have any interest in RL.

Warrington aren't lazy they are quite proactive in the community. Theres a lot more to the club besides RL http://www.warringto...lps_with_money/


Ok, lets look at wigans crowds :

1. wigan 15,793
2. warrington 10,500 approx.

<snigger>

so much for winning the CC final being a big boost.

#35 ShotgunGold

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 05:34 PM

QUOTE (dallymessenger @ Jul 28 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, lets look at wigans crowds :

1. wigan 15,793
2. warrington 10,500 approx.

<snigger>

so much for winning the CC final being a big boost.


Wigan is more populated than Warrington, it is in Greater Manchester - a conurbation of millions of people, Wigan's stadium is much bigger than Warrington's, oh and not forgetting the Warriors are the most successful rugby club in the world. Both clubs are doing fine.

So please do yourself a favour and shut the ###### up.

#36 thirteenthman

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 07:19 PM

The population of the town of Wigan is only 542 more than the town of Warrington. Towns that is, not boroughs. Wigan may be in what was Greater Manchester but Warrington is slap bang between Manchester and Liverpool - a fair population base to target. Not forgetting the whole of Cheshire as well.

While I fully understand the reasons why it happened, it might not have been the best idea for Warrington to build a new ground that only holds 13,000 with little room for expansion. Unless you count filling the corners in to accommodate at extra 500 or so as expansion. Oh, and a ground with its own car park would've been nice as well. Speculate to accumulate is the expression I believe.

When the ground was originally built, it was designed to hold 14,500 not 13,000 people. But as the opening night (which I was at) proved, that would've been 14,500 anorexic dwarfs. I've seen a few round town, but not that many.






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Posted 28 July 2010 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Jul 28 2010, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The population of the town of Wigan is only 542 more than the town of Warrington. Towns that is, not boroughs. Wigan may be in what was Greater Manchester but Warrington is slap bang between Manchester and Liverpool - a fair population base to target. Not forgetting the whole of Cheshire as well.

While I fully understand the reasons why it happened, it might not have been the best idea for Warrington to build a new ground that only holds 13,000 with little room for expansion. Unless you count filling the corners in to accommodate at extra 500 or so as expansion. Oh, and a ground with its own car park would've been nice as well. Speculate to accumulate is the expression I believe.

When the ground was originally built, it was designed to hold 14,500 not 13,000 people. But as the opening night (which I was at) proved, that would've been 14,500 anorexic dwarfs. I've seen a few round town, but not that many.


When you are not picking up the tab, nor contributing any financial input whatsoever, be it land or build costs, it is difficult/impossible to call the shots.

#38 3owls

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Jul 28 2010, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When the ground was originally built, it was designed to hold 14,500 not 13,000 people. But as the opening night (which I was at) proved, that would've been 14,500 anorexic dwarfs. I've seen a few round town, but not that many.

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#39 1976PMJwires

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 08:47 PM

How can a positive be turned into a negative.

Only in Rugby League.

Glad Wigan and Widnes fans can offer congratulations, Thanks and well done guys.



#40 Karl Carpenter

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 09:02 PM

QUOTE (1976PMJwires @ Jul 28 2010, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How can a positive be turned into a negative.

This is a big problem with the RLFF. We spend too much time trying to find the negatives even when, as in this case, something positive has happened. It doesn't matter whether Warrington has a population of 90k or 9 million, an increase in support (and a profit) is welcome just as is Warrington's upward surge in form over the last two seasons.




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