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#1 Finn

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Posted 06 September 2010 - 08:31 PM

I'm hoping that the playoffs go to form, in which case we will be looking forward to 2 semis in 2 weeks time, Saints/Wire, Wigan/Leeds, sound familiar?

Hopefully the outcry from such a repeat set of fixtures (what was the point of them playing in week 1) will cause the playoff system to be reviewed, as the current system is ######.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Finn @ Sep 6 2010, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm hoping that the playoffs go to form, in which case we will be looking forward to 2 semis in 2 weeks time, Saints/Wire, Wigan/Leeds, sound familiar?

I'm hoping for great games, sell out crowds and hopefully a few shocks along the way

QUOTE (Finn @ Sep 6 2010, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully the outcry from such a repeat set of fixtures (what was the point of them playing in week 1) will cause the playoff system to be reviewed, as the current system is ######.


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#3 Storm

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:26 AM

If the play off go to form, Wigan, Saints & Wire will be on the Semis. Who ever joins them from 4th to 8th, and it will most likey be Huddersfield, will be picked by the top team.

Which ever one of the Top 3 gets the pick, (which will be Wigan), they have to make the other 2 play in a Derby game. No way will Wigan bring Saints or Wire to the DW Stadium. And the other 2 wouldn't put themselves in a Derby match either. I think this will be brilliant.

#4 Wilderspoolmemories

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 07:21 AM

If wigan and saints win in round 1,then leeds are at home in round 2 to either hudds/crusaders and wire to hull/hull kr. If wire and leeds win then wigan won't pick wire or saints so the round 3 fixtures will be the same as round 1 fixtures! Something wrong there,go back to the old top 5 play off I say.
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#5 Dave T

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:12 AM

I'm not sure why people would want something to fail. Surely it would be best to hope that you are wrong and it is a brilliant series.

Also, this scenario didn't happen last year with exactly the same format.

#6 RP London

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:30 AM

QUOTE (Wilderspoolmemories @ Sep 7 2010, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If wigan and saints win in round 1,then leeds are at home in round 2 to either hudds/crusaders and wire to hull/hull kr. If wire and leeds win then wigan won't pick wire or saints so the round 3 fixtures will be the same as round 1 fixtures! Something wrong there,go back to the old top 5 play off I say.

top 6 format could have produced the same fixtures too..

any type of play off format can produce the same fixtures at some point as the round 1.. it doesnt make round 1 fixtures pointless they are part of the league campaign to get to the play off series.. why is that wrong?

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:46 AM

I preferred the 5 team play off as well, games seemed a lot more intense, although we'll see how this years stack up as they seem to have thrown some interesting matches up. Was a lot easier to explain to the casual/non fan as well who was showing an interest on the back of skys advertising, not sure I could explain the 8 team play off correctly at the first attempt without cocking up a fixture or how club call works!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:48 AM

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#9 no13benny

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:18 AM

In the 6 almost every season the top side played the second side in week 2, and then again in the Grand Final.

What was the point in the first match?

I think also, to be fair, Leeds and Warrington have a say in this first weekend, plus injuries play a part, and a few key ones to Saints who are already down on troops could make them a favourable pick in the Semis, if they get there.

Personally, I'm not sure choosing the 3 times reigning Champions is a great way to quell that teams enthusiasm, either.

Talk about an animal backed into a corner.

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#10 Finn

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE (RP London @ Sep 7 2010, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
top 6 format could have produced the same fixtures too..

any type of play off format can produce the same fixtures at some point as the round 1.. it doesnt make round 1 fixtures pointless they are part of the league campaign to get to the play off series.. why is that wrong?


The Aus system guarantees no rematches until the Grand Final.


#11 RP London

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE (Finn @ Sep 7 2010, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Aus system guarantees no rematches until the Grand Final.


at which point what was the point in the first match??

its still a repeat.. the only play off system that stops you meeting the same team in the play offs at any point is the american systems of the NFL etc.. but then you could have met any of your play off teams at any point during the regular season..

to critisise the play offs for possible repeat matchs IMO is pointless it CAN always happen

#12 Wiltshire Rhino

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:09 PM

How about straight knockout?

1st vs 8th
2nd vs 7th
3rd vs 6th
4th vs 5th

If it went to form then

1st vs 4th
2nd vs 3rd

Grand Final

However if there are some shocks then you take their league postions into account.

eg the highest finishing winner would play the lowest finishing winner so potentially you could have

5th vs 8th
6th vs 7th

Grand Final

No repeat matches, not even in the Final.
I think that makes sense. It does in my head anyway. I hope you understand it too.

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#13 southstand loiner

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:52 PM

yet again we reach the bit people dont understand so let me explain.
this weekend wigan beat leeds . after that leeds get there arses in gear and go to old trafford were they soundly thrash st helens and win the title yet again.

why complicate something that happens every year.
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#14 T Dub

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:04 PM

The Minor Premiers should collect the shield and go straight to the finalno further justification needed.

#15 Finn

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:03 PM

QUOTE (southstand loiner @ Sep 7 2010, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yet again we reach the bit people dont understand so let me explain.
this weekend wigan beat leeds . after that leeds get there arses in gear and go to old trafford were they soundly thrash st helens and win the title yet again.

why complicate something that happens every year.


Leeds would have to win on an opponent's ground for that to happen - have they ever done that in the playoffs?


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Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:11 PM

QUOTE (Finn @ Sep 6 2010, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm hoping that the playoffs go to form, in which case we will be looking forward to 2 semis in 2 weeks time, Saints/Wire, Wigan/Leeds, sound familiar?

Hopefully the outcry from such a repeat set of fixtures (what was the point of them playing in week 1) will cause the playoff system to be reviewed, as the current system is ######.

If the play-offs went to recent form, I wouldn't put Leeds in the top 4. Probably Huddersfield.

And you make it sound like their has never been a repeat game in the play-offs. 1998, ,1999, 2000, 01, 02, 04, 06, 07 and 08 all had one repeated fixture in them. In fact if you look at it like that, there have only been 3 out of 12 years without a repeat game. Did you whinge all them years as well?
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#17 giwildgo

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE (Wilderspoolmemories @ Sep 7 2010, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If wigan and saints win in round 1,then leeds are at home in round 2 to either hudds/crusaders and wire to hull/hull kr. If wire and leeds win then wigan won't pick wire or saints so the round 3 fixtures will be the same as round 1 fixtures! Something wrong there,go back to the old top 5 play off I say.

Totally agree, there is something wrong when you can play only two games in the playoffs, both against the same side, win the first then lose the second and therefore not make the GF.

Needs a rethink regardless of whether the resultant games are top notch (which I think they will be this year).

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#18 giwildgo

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 05:09 PM

QUOTE (T Dub @ Sep 7 2010, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Minor Premiers should collect the shield and go straight to the finalno further justification needed.

Don't disagree in principle - but surely four weeks off for the playoffs would disadvantage the Minor Premiers in terms of lack of match practice?

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#19 T Dub

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 05:35 PM

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Don't disagree in principle - but surely four weeks off for the playoffs would disadvantage the Minor Premiers in terms of lack of match practice?

Yes it would under the existing formula, but this is longwinded and over complicated, and when 8th is involved open to ridicule.

Everyone has a preference, mine would be:-

Week 1 - 1 bye, 2v5, 3v4 (ie 2 eliminators)
Week 2 - 1 bye, 2 v 3 (one eliminator)
Week 3 - final

Top 5 are involved, 6th downwards dont deserve to be
Fewer games so our best players are less knackered by the time the internationals come round
Use the exta week gained for something useful (week off before 4N, mid season international, WCC)
Removes games that arnt eliminators
Obviates preposterous 'club call'
Saves rehashing the same 'big' fixtures to the point where they are routine
Most importantly, gives real value to finishing top

Edited by T Dub, 07 September 2010 - 05:36 PM.


#20 giwildgo

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (T Dub @ Sep 7 2010, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes it would under the existing formula, but this is longwinded and over complicated, and when 8th is involved open to ridicule.

Everyone has a preference, mine would be:-

Week 1 - 1 bye, 2v5, 3v4 (ie 2 eliminators)
Week 2 - 1 bye, 2 v 3 (one eliminator)
Week 3 - final

Top 5 are involved, 6th downwards dont deserve to be
Fewer games so our best players are less knackered by the time the internationals come round
Use the exta week gained for something useful (week off before 4N, mid season international, WCC)
Removes games that arnt eliminators
Obviates preposterous 'club call'
Saves rehashing the same 'big' fixtures to the point where they are routine
Most importantly, gives real value to finishing top

Sounds a better bet than the current system and well justified by your points, but I'd still be concerned about a two week layoff for the League Leaders in terms of match sharpness.

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