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Steve Slater

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#3000673 Cougars begin legal action; propose expanded Championship

Posted by Steve Slater on Yesterday, 06:47 PM

Hold your hand up, admit your mistake, put measures in place to stop it happening again, with penalties written in stone should further breaches occur. Cough up some real financial compensation for the injured party, enough so they drop the case and concentrating on building a squad with the extra money to make them outright favourites for promotion next year.




#2998947 Opinion: Super League attendance drop should cause concern

Posted by Steve Slater on 19 September 2014 - 03:32 PM

What is more important to the game is profit. Whatever the attendance levels are it's about making money.

 

We know via Bradford and Wakey and Fartown we can get attendances up by the thousands by giving tickets away. Even where we charge full price if only 5,000 come and pay it the club may be a loss making entity as Fartown, Widnes, Hull.K.R. and Castleford are.

 

I'm sure if Sheffield and Doncaster got in Superleague their attendances would shoot from 800 to 2,800.

 

I am sure they would then be as useless on the pitch as the Broncos were this year causing thousands of SL fans at their opponents to stay home.

 

Look at it in the round Steve, This is what merger is about 2,000 Fev fans 8,000 Cas and 8,000 wakey fans aggregate = 18,000 fans. These clubs all leak losses big style. One club with an average attendance of 12,000 would mean a lower aggregate.But it would mean a damn good chance success and possibly a growth in crowds.

 

Forget mergers, it's just an illustration of the simple equation that you can have 7,500 fans as HKR have but if they pay £500,000 short of what the club needs to operate - as they do, then it's no good. Profit is the thing averages and aggregates may or may not achieve profit or loss - both are only one side of the "coin"

If what you say is true Parky, how come Sheffield, on gates of 800, have been able to compete over the last 3-4 years with Fev who were getting gates of 2,400+ and no rent to pay, plus income streams from owning their own stadium?

If some clubs need gates of 10K to be successful, then a club like Fev would be able to compete and make a profit on 6K. Reason:- income streams on match days and functions in clubhouse, no rent, rental income from industrial units they plan to build on their land, car park income, loads of willing volunteers who are doing jobs that people are employed to do at some clubs. I simply can't understand how clubs can lose money when the Sky money covers the salary cap. Must be gross mis-management?




#2998470 Opinion: Super League attendance drop should cause concern

Posted by Steve Slater on 18 September 2014 - 10:09 PM

Parksider you've done some good research there.  However, the drop in average attendances that happened when Superleague increased from 12 to 14 clubs was always going to happen, that's the way statistics work.  The average was only likely to increase if the 2 new clubs had higher attendances than the Superleague average.

 

The increase to 14 clubs did actually increase aggregate attendances which is again what you would expect.

 

I personally thought the 14 club superleague did work because it reduced the repetitive element of the additional fixtures we needed for a 12 club superleague.

 

I don't know if the new Super 12 is going to work.  The re-introduction of promotion/relegation should help stop fixtures from getting too repetative.  However, the new system really needs the championship clubs to get a bigger share of the pie.

What's more important: Average attendances or aggregate attendances? If the two extra clubs in Super League got higher crowds than they would in The Championship, then that means more folk are watching Rugby League. Surely that's what the aim is?




#2998341 Koukash: Bulls would still be in Super League if my wife owned them

Posted by Steve Slater on 18 September 2014 - 08:10 PM

Why would they still be in Super League? They would still have had to win enough matches to avoid the drop, and as shown at Salford splashing the cash doesn't bring instant success, it takes a while for new guys to settle in. Was the squad they had before the departure of certain players good enough to finish above Wakefield?




#2989599 Is there one good reason?

Posted by Steve Slater on 06 September 2014 - 07:40 PM

The kids issue is taken too lightly, Thursday games on school nights are not fair on them, especially for the travelling junior fans. At least it wasn't a cross-Pennine clash, the travel distance should be kept to a minimum, especially outside the school holidays.

I used to hate it when Fev played on Thursdays when The Championship was covered. My grandkids lived in Halifax at the time, so it was a 50 mile round journey during the rush hour before the game, then the same again to get them back to school the next morning. These kids are the game's future, and if they're keen enough to go to every game, home or away, they shouldn't be messed about. 




#2988868 Keighley away

Posted by Steve Slater on 05 September 2014 - 10:22 AM

Can you imagine Hirst running it in Like Annakin ?? He would be unstoppable...oh well we can only dream

They're as different as Les Tonks and Vince Farrar, yet there was room for both of them in the same side. Rovers fans have an affection for smaller guys who punch well above their weight, Vince and Tuuta being prime examples.




#2985702 What can we do to increase attendances?

Posted by Steve Slater on 30 August 2014 - 09:07 PM

The trouble is far too many Hunslet fans of old prefer to go to Headingley these days, and because of this some people think the same would happen in the WMDC area if one club were to gain a position of prominence. But unlike the City of Leeds those from the Pontefract-Castleford area don't consider themselves as Wakefield folk, and vice-versa. If their club were to fold they would be much more likely to also take the relatively short trip to Headingley, or worse still, Elland Road, Oakwell or Huddersfield Town.




#2980474 What can we do to increase attendances?

Posted by Steve Slater on 20 August 2014 - 02:00 PM

Maybe work on getting away fans to the games.
 
Typically, away support is around the 1000 mark, so I'm told.
 
Obviously, there'll be exceptions - if anyone's thinking of pointing them out.  But the point I'm making is - what do clubs do to pro-actively sell tickets to away supporters ?

Some clubs in The Championship started putting their prices up when Fev came to town, so many of the regular travelling away fans stayed away in protest.
If pre-paid tickets sold by the away club were reduced to away season ticket holders it would increase season ticket sales at many clubs, and if we then got more fans to travel maybe the clubs could go to the bus companies and get reduced travel costs, creating a spiral effect.


#2972210 Goal Kicking

Posted by Steve Slater on 06 August 2014 - 08:32 AM

There was no better goalkicker than Rooneyin his prime, we'll have to wait and see whether he's still as good. Moore killed us last season with a phenomenal goalkicking display for Batley in the play-off', but is his leg still troubling him? They were both off form on Sunday, albeit from wide out, and that seems to be a problem too, we seem to score more in the corner than other sides. One game that struck me was the Challenge Cup at Leigh in which we lost by 10 points. All 4 unconverted tries were scored wide out and Moore also missed a penalty attempt, same with the defeat at Doncaster, in which they kicked 5 goals to our 2, yet we equalled them for tries.

I bet Rooney's out on the field right now practicing his place kicking?




#2967753 Next Season

Posted by Steve Slater on 29 July 2014 - 08:36 PM

The thing is there is now a pathway to get in every year if your good enough We no longer have the £( unless someone knows different ) to get there so I'm not too worried The thing about this is that Featherstone Rovers will get more money like other championship clubs will so this can only be a good thing and every game counts in the leagues Until we have the money to go full time don't worry about it Bradford and Leigh will be full time next year and will clearly be in position 1 and 2 IMO we need to aim for 3rd or 4th to get into the middle 8 ( didn't think I would be saying that after the last 4 years ) Lets hope things settle down Andy Hay can keep the players he wants let the ones go that don't want to be here anymore and add the ones that he thinks will improve the team

It's been a bad year at the club but lets hope too much damage hasn't been done and everyone pulls together we are still second at the moment and a tough few weeks coming up will make or break a good season next year What ever happens we need to support the club because without the help of the supporter backing this great club we will never get into S/L

Lets all back the club for the rest of this season see where we end up and give the play offs a good go then next season lets get back to having a settled team with players who want to play for Fev and you never know where we might finish in the league

Together any things possible

If we have a season as good as we had in 2009 I will be satisfied because I enjoyed it immensely, just being pipped in the NRC semi's up at Barrow by the eventual Champions, then being a hairs breadth away from a GF place in the semi at The Shay, after play-off away wins at Sheffield & Widnes. It was definitely a season to kick on from and just as enjoyable as 2010 through to 2013.




#2965266 RL Express Cream of the Championship Crop

Posted by Steve Slater on 25 July 2014 - 02:33 PM

Ellis and Sharp are realistically the only Fev players who could be considered, Mendeika has been class but which is his best position? Worthington has been absent through injury quite a bit, and so have all our star forwards of last year,apart from Lockwood who hasn't hit lat seaon's heights so far. On current form I would put Andy Kain in contention, but he started the season struggling with injury, and is now in transition between traditional stand off and playmaker with his kicking game coming on leaps and bounds. I've a feeling he will be up there by the end of the season, dodgy groin permitting, and there could be one or two more. But could you pick anyone else but Brierley and Cooke in the halves, no matter how well Murrell has been playing? 




#2963793 The never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

Posted by Steve Slater on 22 July 2014 - 09:07 PM

I think 'being as good as the clubs outside the top six' is in itself wishful thinking, and- please don't take this the wrong way completely unacceptable as an ambition .
The competition needs to grow and become stronger, not have more foot soldiers . Look at it another way. Two clubs with huge potential one way or another have been ejected . Is there a club outside SL with more potential than either if them. Look at the clubs outside the top six. I would suggest they all have huge potential for growth. Is there a club or clubs outside SL with more than for instance Salford?

I get your point Chris, but I believe that until the competition does grow and become stronger we need to hold what we have. Bradford will be back, and the experience of the Championship will do them good, and London will be back if people want it, but the Championship needs to be stronger, with a higher profile and TV exposure to ensure that kids keep playing the game in these areas. The game outside Super League will keep on going backwards without hope of promotion. With regards to Salford, it remains to be seen whether success on the field, which Dr.Koukash promises, results in big gates, or whether he would have got more through the turnstiles at Halifax?




#2962897 Jamie Rooney retires

Posted by Steve Slater on 21 July 2014 - 01:06 PM

Regarding Rooney: The back end of our season is very much dependant on whether Andy Kain's groin and Gareth Moore's leg hold up. We need a contingency and Harry Secombe doesn't seem to be the answer. If he's on a pay per play deal it would be nothing lost, and if he could put the time saved in travelling onto the training pitch, added to local pride where he won't want to under perform in front of friends and family, we might get something extra on top of his considerable kicking skills. 




#2961473 Will the Broncos be swallowed up by the Championship?

Posted by Steve Slater on 18 July 2014 - 10:11 PM

The expansion clubs in Championship 1 are run and supported by some great people, but the possibility of them attaining elite level is many years down the line.

Maybe that's how it should be Chris, but it's clearly not because at least a third of Super League clubs are not super at all. The demise of London is an insult to clubs like Featherstone and Keighley who had to fall on their sword to allow them in in the first place. They were the sacrificial lambs because bigger was better and the bigger the city the more successful the club would be, and Broncos were to be the flagship of the new competition. Their failure wasn't the fault of current or previous owners, but rather the fault of other Super League clubs who were not willing to fall on their own swords for the good of the game. They all wanted London to succeed, but not at their own expense. If they could give expansion clubs exemption from relegation they could have gone one or two steps further and given them a far greater slice of the Sky money, and a much bigger salary cap than anyone else to ensure they got all the top players, especially the star imports. The failure of London has set the game's expansion back years and it will be a long time before new big city clubs will attract viable crowds.


#2957277 The Future

Posted by Steve Slater on 10 July 2014 - 07:47 PM

I think Trout has done well so far and would have gone well with, say Finn as a organiser.

One factor to consider regarding the wage bill is Matt Nicholson;he was looking good before his injury. The question is will he be back for the start of next season, or doesn't AH want him anyway. If he gets released that would pay Trout's wages, although I personally would prefer a fit Nicholson.