Rugby League Nines World Series?

[roughyedspud]

Who's remit does Nines in Europe fall under then if not the RLEF? I appreciate the desire by the code to want as many people as possible playing the original form of the game, but honestly if Nines, Tag or Touch is going to help us drive the overall profile, participation and revenues available in the sport, we should be leveraging them as much as possible.

The problem with touch rugby in this country is the england team that plays in the FIT world cup is backed by the RFU!the aussies and kiwis are backed by the NRL & NZRL..

[Yakstorm]

The problem with touch rugby in this country is the england team that plays in the FIT world cup is backed by the RFU!the aussies and kiwis are backed by the NRL & NZRL..

It's a shame that the RFU has been able to step in and do that. Just like it's a shame that Tag in Ireland is backed by the IRFU.

If we had welcomed these variations of our sport in when they wanted to be part of RL our code would already have significantly more reach than it currently does.

Thankfully small steps are being taken to mend bridges. The FFRXIII has also partnered with Touch, Malta RL runs Tag in the country and same with HKRL and HKTag.

[wackojacko]

Who's remit does Nines in Europe fall under then if not the RLEF? I appreciate the desire by the code to want as many people as possible playing the original form of the game, but honestly if Nines, Tag or Touch is going to help us drive the overall profile, participation and revenues available in the sport, we should be leveraging them as much as possible.

 

I think the point was that the RLEF is not a body that receives much funding for anything but training programmes so it's lacking in the resources to organise such big events. They currently run the European Cup and commercialising that is their main focus at the moment. 

[roughyedspud]

It's a shame that the RFU has been able to step in and do that. Just like it's a shame that Tag in Ireland is backed by the IRFU.

If we had welcomed these variations of our sport in when they wanted to be part of RL our code would already have significantly more reach than it currently does.

Thankfully small steps are being taken to mend bridges. The FFRXIII has also partnered with Touch, Malta RL runs Tag in the country and same with HKRL and HKTag.

Sad thing is the guy that runs england touch is a old mate of mine from oldham,lifelong league & roughyeds fan...and touch rugby is derived from RL so i was really puzzled when i saw on his facebook that he was having meetings at twickers

[BenGilesRL]

Long post...

Rumour has it post-RLWC17, a 9s tournament will take place every other year (at the start!) when the RLIF don't have a main event i.e. World Cup/Confed Cup, to generate income for the RLIF to further develop the game. Just a rumour but hopefully true.

Not just a rumour it's referenced in the official document from the RLIF released last year

[Fabou]

has somebody updated news of such a potential event?

[LionelHurst]

Fabou ~ it certainly will not be an RLEF event. I had a very amicable discussion with Danny and they just don't have the infrastructure yet. This is notwithstanding the fact that a 6 figure initial investment was offered. Whether the RLIF take a different view post a successful World Cup remains to be seen.

[roughyedspud]

I think theres scope to have somekind of euro 9s event on the sunday & bank holiday monday after the challenge cup final..

[moorside roughyed]

The sooner the RLIF pull their finger out and get behind rugby9s the better.I like watching 7s for the speed of the game.9s could be just as good as rugby league players are naturally very fit when you compare them with rugby union players (no disrespect intended),you do still see some bellies in rugby union. It's needs the backing of the authorities it deserves to give league a wider audience.A 9s world cup could be run in tandem with the regular world cup.Have a 9s game before a 13 a side fixture. Great value for fans.Well that what I think anyway.

[roughyedspud]

you can't a 9s game before a regular game...would'nt work

[Fabou]

Fabou ~ it certainly will not be an RLEF event. I had a very amicable discussion with Danny and they just don't have the infrastructure yet. This is notwithstanding the fact that a 6 figure initial investment was offered. Whether the RLIF take a different view post a successful World Cup remains to be seen.

 

I wonder what kind of conditions in terms of infrastructure are be required. Starting a competition with RLEF is not really a wrong idea seen all the non european country in the RLEF.

[Dave T]

you can't a 9s game before a regular game...would'nt work

why not?

[roughyedspud]

Its a seperate event in its own right..

Its like saying lets not have a 2 day auckland 9s event...lets play the games before the NRL trial games...

9s becomes a non event

[TheMancunianCandidate]

Lionel and I, along side Neal Coupland ran some very successful tournaments in York in the mid 2000's where teams from across Europe came and played. In the last year I was involved we had 32 teams playing over 2 days - an awesome event.

We're hoping to replicate that over the next few years https://wearemancunians.com/2016/07/19/date-set-for-2017-manchester-9s/ but small steps first.

[TheMancunianCandidate]

Fabou ~ it certainly will not be an RLEF event. I had a very amicable discussion with Danny and they just don't have the infrastructure yet. This is notwithstanding the fact that a 6 figure initial investment was offered. Whether the RLIF take a different view post a successful World Cup remains to be seen.

Lionel - shouldn't an outside organisation run a competiton under licence like we did at York?

[Dave T]

Its a seperate event in its own right..

Its like saying lets not have a 2 day auckland 9s event...lets play the games before the NRL trial games...

9s becomes a non event

I agree it may not be the best option, but your comment that you can't do it, it wouldn't work isn't accurate.

 

You could do it, hold a couple of games in the hour before the main game kick off and build up 9's as a 'thing'. If the fans respond then you can stage them as standalone events.

[ParraEelsNRL]

It will be interesting to see where that goes, given that the NRL don't control or run the tournament. Personally, I'd like to see it added to the 2017 winners cheque.......then you'd see teams packed with top grade stars!

No thanks, we'll just double up next year and take the lot 

[roughyedspud]

I agree it may not be the best option, but your comment that you can't do it, it wouldn't work isn't accurate.

 

You could do it, hold a couple of games in the hour before the main game kick off and build up 9's as a 'thing'. If the fans respond then you can stage them as standalone events.

 

 

dave..you are just being pedantic...wind it in lad

 

 

would england cricket host a 20/20 before a odi?? would england ru7's play before a 6 nations game.......big fat no!

[LionelHurst]

Stefan. The licence idea is good in principle and we tried it with the RFL with the Carnegie Floodlit 9s only to have it undermined and ultimately destroyed. Once bitten many times shy so beware. Happy to discuss further with you privately if you ever think of pursuing this route. In short - don't!

[Dave T]

dave..you are just being pedantic...wind it in lad

 

 

would england cricket host a 20/20 before a odi?? would england ru7's play before a 6 nations game.......big fat no!

nothing pedantic about that at all. The games are played on the same pitch, they could easily be staged as exhibition matches, doesn't really matter that you say they can't.

 

England cricket don't need to stage exhibition matches before full matches, they have the balls to stage them as standalone as they have fans who will get off their backsides.

 

Same with RU - they have an established 7's circuit and have for years.

 

We have no established 9's circuit, so there is no problem with introducing it to fans in advance of full matches. It is an approach, not saying it is the best, but you have no costs to hire a ground and is more likely to happen.

 

Hell, in RL we even stage full test matches before other test matches.

[LionelHurst]

There was a very promising European 9s circuit but the RFL etc was reluctant to support ~ York London Cheltenham Lezignan Holland.

[leagueman123]

Might seem a stupid question but to sell the sport to the masses how is this product going to be different than 7's? 

 

People will think its 7's but with two more players which will create less space meaning games will be lower scoring.  

[Tommygilf]

Might seem a stupid question but to sell the sport to the masses how is this product going to be different than 7's?

People will think its 7's but with two more players which will create less space meaning games will be lower scoring.

Unlike 7s its not going to evolve into its own sport that is completely different in skillset and player pool (professionally) from the full version.

Furthermore 9s is more exciting than 7s because in sevens most teams throw two passes maybe a step and then run 60m and score, might be entertaining to those who don't see many tries but doesn't really reward skill. 9s on the other hand is still definitively a proper game of rugby where speed is valued, but not at the expense of skill and physicality, hence why 13s players can instantly play 9s but 15s generally struggle to play 7s and vice-versa.

[LionelHurst]

Perfectly put.

[roughyedspud]

nothing pedantic about that at all. The games are played on the same pitch, they could easily be staged as exhibition matches, doesn't really matter that you say they can't.

England cricket don't need to stage exhibition matches before full matches, they have the balls to stage them as standalone as they have fans who will get off their backsides.

9s games are exhibition games...thats why your thinking is all wrong..