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29 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

It would be interesting to compare the attendances of England over here since it's reincarnation in 07 to say the previous equivalent number of years as GB.

Link to GB attendances (you need to click into each Series):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team_game_results_(1991–present)

Link to England attendances:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_league_team_results

Golden age for GB was the early-mid 90s. That's what most people hark back to; what their nostalgic for. But then England have some excellent attendances at places like Wembley, Olympic Stadium and Elland Road since it's inception in 2008 (especially against New Zealand, which are better than against GB).

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1 hour ago, GeordieSaint said:

Link to GB attendances (you need to click into each Series):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team_game_results_(1991–present)

Link to England attendances:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_league_team_results

Golden age for GB was the early-mid 90s. That's what most people hark back to; what their nostalgic for. But then England have some excellent attendances at places like Wembley, Olympic Stadium and Elland Road since it's inception in 2008 (especially against New Zealand, which are better than against GB).

NZ is our new main rival 

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3 hours ago, Themusician_2 said:

It doesn't even resonate here in England 

It resonated with a small number of people that Nigel Wood needed to win over and that's why this "tour" exists.

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22 hours ago, damp squib said:

It resonated with a small number of people that Nigel Wood needed to win over and that's why this "tour" exists.

It also resonates with the player's.

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3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

It also resonates with the player's.

Does it? Many of the younger players certainly wouldn't have grown up dreaming to play for GB.

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5 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

It also resonates with the player's.

Ex players. I’m pretty sure the current players are merely saying the right thing 

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On 18/10/2019 at 15:54, GeordieSaint said:

Link to GB attendances (you need to click into each Series):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team_game_results_(1991–present)

Link to England attendances:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_league_team_results

Golden age for GB was the early-mid 90s. That's what most people hark back to; what their nostalgic for. But then England have some excellent attendances at places like Wembley, Olympic Stadium and Elland Road since it's inception in 2008 (especially against New Zealand, which are better than against GB).

I should think that whatever guise the team plays under be it GB or England the numbers going through the turnstiles would be the same, I asked all of those dead set against the return of the GB concept would they boycott watching the telecasts of the upcoming series, not one answered that they would, and it would be exactly the same when the Kangaroo's come over next year which ever jersey the team plays in it would not alter the attendance at with any note.

Now we have the WC and all the made up teams of convenience to boost the competition number's a concept that I cannot see will ever change, but I see no reason whatsoever that the GB team cannot be resurrected twixed the WC's, who know's whatever gems may be unearthed of true Welsh, Scot or Irish nationality, the opportunity for those blokes to play at the top level should not be denied them.

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On 18/10/2019 at 12:41, Man of Kent said:

After Sam Tomkins' performance this morning, his exclusion looks even more perplexing. He's a tremendous player and I hope he gets drafted in.

I can only say unbelievable.

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Now we have the WC and all the made up teams of convenience to boost the competition number's a concept that I cannot see will ever change, but I see no reason whatsoever that the GB team cannot be resurrected twixed the WC's, who know's whatever gems may be unearthed of true Welsh, Scot or Irish nationality, the opportunity for those blokes to play at the top level should not be denied them.

Do you not think it's incredibly hypocritical on your part to think that a single Australian-born player playing for England/GB deligitmises the team, while at the same time repeatedly including Irish players in the team you refer to solely as Great Britain and calling Irish players British?

Why is an Irish player playing for Britain "the top level"? Surely if they're Irish, playing for Ireland and not a different country is the top level?

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58 minutes ago, damp squib said:

Do you not think it's incredibly hypocritical on your part to think that a single Australian-born player playing for England/GB deligitmises the team, while at the same time repeatedly including Irish players in the team you refer to solely as Great Britain and calling Irish players British?

Why is an Irish player playing for Britain "the top level"? Surely if they're Irish, playing for Ireland and not a different country is the top level?

The top level I refer to as I suspect you already know is the top level in terms of quality, with due respect to Irish player's I cannot see enough of them gathering together to form a team that would be worthy of playing in a test series v The Kangaroo's or Kiwi's but it is not beyond the imagination for a couple to breakthrough to perform in the upper echelons of the sport.

Are you saying that if a Irish born player who like Brian Carney sought his carrear in the British Rugby League SL and even a couple of seasons in the Australian Premier Comp should not be allowed to perform at the pinnacle of the sport?

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On 18/10/2019 at 15:54, GeordieSaint said:

Link to GB attendances (you need to click into each Series):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team_game_results_(1991–present)

Link to England attendances:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_league_team_results

Golden age for GB was the early-mid 90s. That's what most people hark back to; what their nostalgic for. But then England have some excellent attendances at places like Wembley, Olympic Stadium and Elland Road since it's inception in 2008 (especially against New Zealand, which are better than against GB).

I would say 2013-2015 was our golden age 

2013 Eng v NZ 67,500

2015 Eng v NZ 44,600

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51 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

I would say 2013-2015 was our golden age 

2013 Eng v NZ 67,500

2015 Eng v NZ 44,600

Yep, people forget that in 1989 only 18k turned up at Old Trafford and 13k at Elland Road for NZ v GB tests despite this golden era with Hanley, Offiah, Schofield, Gregory, Ward, Lydon et al. 

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3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

The top level I refer to as I suspect you already know is the top level in terms of quality, with due respect to Irish player's I cannot see enough of them gathering together to form a team that would be worthy of playing in a test series v The Kangaroo's or Kiwi's but it is not beyond the imagination for a couple to breakthrough to perform in the upper echelons of the sport.

Are you saying that if a Irish born player who like Brian Carney sought his carrear in the British Rugby League SL and even a couple of seasons in the Australian Premier Comp should not be allowed to perform at the pinnacle of the sport?

Remarkable bit of typing bearing in mind you did it standing on your head.

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2 hours ago, Scubby said:

Yep, people forget that in 1989 only 18k turned up at Old Trafford and 13k at Elland Road for NZ v GB tests despite this golden era with Hanley, Offiah, Schofield, Gregory, Ward, Lydon et al. 

In the end England is a far more marketable brand than Great Britain. Look at the popularity of England's football,cricket and yawnion team. It resonates with English people watching England play undisputable fact. Not "great britian"(which was really just England with a changed name and we made a big mistake when we did that look at the history of GB RL). That's just a tough pill some RL fans need to swallow.

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2 hours ago, Scubby said:

Yep, people forget that in 1989 only 18k turned up at Old Trafford and 13k at Elland Road for NZ v GB tests despite this golden era with Hanley, Offiah, Schofield, Gregory, Ward, Lydon et al. 

In point of fact, only one of those names played in the 1989 series I believe.

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20 minutes ago, Themusician_2 said:

Not "great britian"(which was really just England with a changed name and we made a big mistake when we did that look at the history of GB RL).

Not this again. We went over this on a previous thread, and you were patently talking rubbish then as well.

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3 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

I would say 2013-2015 was our golden age 

2013 Eng v NZ 67,500

2015 Eng v NZ 44,600

Not really. Between 1990 and 1992, GB played 23 internationals (not including other tour games). Between 2013 and 2015, England played just 13 internationals. The Ashes tours of the early-mid 90s were very big business with Old Trafford and Elland Road selling out. Also there was a World Cup Final in 92 with approx 73k at Wembley.

I think the fact that GB played more frequently in the early 90s meant that RL was in the consciousness of the wider public more often. 

 

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1 hour ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

In point of fact, only one of those names played in the 1989 series I believe.

Depends if they meant Mike Gregory or Andy Gregory. From my old VHS "Great Britain tame the Kiwis", I remember Mike Gregory (captain) and Offiah played.

Now I'm curious to know - if Hanley, Andy Gregory, Lydon, Schofield, etc. didn't play in that series, why was that? Surely they weren't all injured?

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5 hours ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

Not really. Between 1990 and 1992, GB played 23 internationals (not including other tour games). Between 2013 and 2015, England played just 13 internationals. The Ashes tours of the early-mid 90s were very big business with Old Trafford and Elland Road selling out. Also there was a World Cup Final in 92 with approx 73k at Wembley.

I think the fact that GB played more frequently in the early 90s meant that RL was in the consciousness of the wider public more often. 

 

Does golden age equate to number of games played? I would say no.

There was a World Cup Final in 2013 in England with 74,500 people there, despite England not making the Final. 

Then 40,000 went to watch Australia v New Zealand at Anfield in 2016 

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6 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

Depends if they meant Mike Gregory or Andy Gregory. From my old VHS "Great Britain tame the Kiwis", I remember Mike Gregory (captain) and Offiah played.

Now I'm curious to know - if Hanley, Andy Gregory, Lydon, Schofield, etc. didn't play in that series, why was that? Surely they weren't all injured?

Lydon was definitely a sub in one of the games. Edwards played so that may have been at the expense of some of the others.

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Simple question again for all the GB haters, who is boycotting the series? Surely you are all men of principle, or is it just a load of moaning ninnies.

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2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Simple question again for all the GB haters, who is boycotting the series? Surely you are all men of principle, or is it just a load of moaning ninnies.

Is it just men on this forum then son?

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16 hours ago, DoubleD said:

Ex players. I’m pretty sure the current players are merely saying the right thing 

"I'm Pretty sure"? What you really mean is you ain't got a clue, but it gave you something else to say.

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