Hopping Mad 853 Report post Posted February 17 (edited) I see a new amateur rugby league club, attached to and based at Liverpool St Helens RUFC (claim: the world's oldest RU club), has been set up. Liverpool St Helens RLFC will play in Division Five of the North West Men's League. https://twitter.com/lshrlfc?lang=en Anybody know the story behind this venture? Edited February 17 by Hopping Mad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Celtic Roosters 108 Report post Posted February 18 I'm interested to know this myself because I keep records of that league. I noticed that Bold Miners are not in the league this season. Maybe it's the people who were behind that club? The Liverpool/St. Helens RU ground is in St. Helens and I have watched RL finals there in the past. Ray French had involvement with them. I don't think they are anything to do with the Liverpool Lions youth teams which have been playing in the NWCL for a few season's as they are based at Waterloo RU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk 22 Report post Posted February 18 Bold Miners are listed in the Division 5 table for the North West and in the fixtures. I noticed because I was surprised to see them reappear. But you have vastly more local knowledge on this than me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 5,525 Report post Posted February 19 I know a little. It is a rugby league club, that train at the LSH ground and were keen to use the name. The rugby union club were happy with that arrangement with the exception of a couple of professional complainers who do not actually help. Ray French is still the President of LSH RU. 1 3 Quote "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 90 Report post Posted February 19 11 hours ago, Bob8 said: I know a little. It is a rugby league club, that train at the LSH ground and were keen to use the name. The rugby union club were happy with that arrangement with the exception of a couple of professional complainers who do not actually help. Ray French is still the President of LSH RU. What do the existing clubs in the St Helens catchment area think of this venture ? Did anyone check before giving it the ok ( as per understood protocols ) ? Just thoughts..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 5,525 Report post Posted February 19 18 minutes ago, del capo said: What do the existing clubs in the St Helens catchment area think of this venture ? Did anyone check before giving it the ok ( as per understood protocols ) ? Just thoughts..... No idea Quote "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk 22 Report post Posted February 20 If the players are mainly associated withn the RU club then they probably prefer to play under their own colours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Celtic Roosters 108 Report post Posted February 22 On 19/02/2020 at 19:34, del capo said: What do the existing clubs in the St Helens catchment area think of this venture ? Did anyone check before giving it the ok ( as per understood protocols ) ? Just thoughts..... New clubs have to apply to their local district league and be voted in by it's members before they van apply to join the NWML. They would have to be given the go ahead by the other St. Helens clubs to get this far. That's how it always worked when I was more involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 90 Report post Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Celtic Roosters said: New clubs have to apply to their local district league and be voted in by it's members before they van apply to join the NWML. They would have to be given the go ahead by the other St. Helens clubs to get this far. That's how it always worked when I was more involved. I agree .Not at all sure it happened this way but stand to be corrected, It's an RFL run league now ,not like in the old days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 5,525 Report post Posted February 22 On 20/02/2020 at 20:20, Norfolk said: If the players are mainly associated withn the RU club then they probably prefer to play under their own colours. I do not believe that is the case. There are a large number of league players at LSH, but the are not particularly gathered at LSH RLFC. Quote "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 90 Report post Posted February 24 On 22/02/2020 at 15:41, Bob8 said: I do not believe that is the case. There are a large number of league players at LSH, but the are not particularly gathered at LSH RLFC. Yes it appears to be a case of player movement rather than recruitment from RU . but a really nice set up just off the East Lancs Road.... Still it's the shape of the ball that counts for me and who passes it rather than kicking it 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk 22 Report post Posted February 24 I'm happy to defer to local knowledge. Is it the RU club wanting a RL presence (and poaching players) or is it RL players unhappy with their clubs and getting together at a good facility? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 5,525 Report post Posted February 29 On 24/02/2020 at 19:54, Norfolk said: I'm happy to defer to local knowledge. Is it the RU club wanting a RL presence (and poaching players) or is it RL players unhappy with their clubs and getting together at a good facility? From what I heard, the rugby league lads approached the union club. They initially wanted to use the training facilities and pay for their use. The union club were mainly (apart from a couple of professional whingers) very happy with it. 1 Quote "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 90 Report post Posted February 29 11 hours ago, Bob8 said: From what I heard, the rugby league lads approached the union club. They initially wanted to use the training facilities and pay for their use. The union club were mainly (apart from a couple of professional whingers) very happy with it. So was there a fall out somewhere ? Not usual this side of the Hills. Who led the request and the players ? My understanding is that loads of RL lads were playing for them in any event before a formal approach to the RFL was made..... Ray French still the Liverpool St Helens President , with two great recent Guardian columns on the subject of Community Rugby. Not IT literate enough to give you a link here but you can get it on the cross code forum..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 5,525 Report post Posted February 29 1 minute ago, del capo said: So was there a fall out somewhere ? Not usual this side of the Hills. Who led the request and the players ? My understanding is that loads of RL lads were playing for them in any event before a formal approach to the RFL was made..... Ray French still the Liverpool St Helens President , with two great recent Guardian columns on the subject of Community Rugby. Not IT literate enough to give you a link here but you can get it on the cross code forum..... I saw the article, but did not want to post union stuff here. In any club, there will be some peripheral people whose only contribution is moaning. No-one who actually mattered was upset. Quote "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 90 Report post Posted February 29 1 minute ago, Bob8 said: I saw the article, but did not want to post union stuff here. In any club, there will be some peripheral people whose only contribution is moaning. No-one who actually mattered was upset. Good to hear . I know Thatto Heath were not over fussed and will just get on with it . French's comments though apply equally to our community clubs as much as those in RU. Can anyone ( 4 of Us ? ) link those articles through for general interest ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 5,525 Report post Posted February 29 Just now, del capo said: Good to hear . I know Thatto Heath were not over fussed and will just get on with it . French's comments though apply equally to our community clubs as much as those in RU. Can anyone ( 4 of Us ? ) link those articles through for general interest ? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/28/liverpool-st-helens-a-case-study-in-community-rugby Though, I will alert @ckn! Quote "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ckn 12,387 Report post Posted February 29 4 minutes ago, Bob8 said: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/28/liverpool-st-helens-a-case-study-in-community-rugby Though, I will alert @ckn! Thanks for the head’s up. Not too fussed about the community forums when it’s done in good faith. I’ll happily get grumpy at bad faith though 1 Quote "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
del capo 90 Report post Posted February 29 And the other one Bob ' Rugby must wake up to the slow strangling of the game ' Again a link would be appreciated for the general forum Note your elert @ckn. This stuff is of as high importance to our side of the game as much as theirs. And the overall raison d'etre for being involved at our levels. Not trolling , not cross code stuff. By all means close it down if it gets stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 5,525 Report post Posted March 1 19 hours ago, del capo said: And the other one Bob ' Rugby must wake up to the slow strangling of the game ' Again a link would be appreciated for the general forum Note your elert @ckn. This stuff is of as high importance to our side of the game as much as theirs. And the overall raison d'etre for being involved at our levels. Not trolling , not cross code stuff. By all means close it down if it gets stupid https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/feb/28/rugby-union-needs-to-wake-up-to-the-slow-strangling-of-the-grassroots-game Quote "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
